Android, Windows, MacOS, Linux, et al provide you APIs for interacting with the operating system, for instance if I want to send a request over the network, I tell the operating system to send this request through the network card.
But they do not dictate what I draw for my app on the screen, how I send messages between apps, or really anything at the application later. The OS APIs are there as an interface between the hardware and the application layer and that’s it.
Like I said, iOS tries to dips it’s finger far into the application layer and make itself a platform to have more control, not let apps compete with Apple’s apps, and so that they can charge you at every application interaction.
It is a story as old as tech. We build a wonderful open internet based on open standards, so social media companies come in and built a closed network on top of that so that they can control everything. Operating systems have historically been designed by big nerds as relatively open platforms, so what happens? Apple comes along and tries to turn iOS into a closed platform and everyone else comes along and tries to build a closed OS platform (a ‘super app’), on top of the existing open platforms.
Super apps and their design is 100% about enriching the controlling company and nothing else.
And I’m explaining to you that having a unified interface is a benefit from user perspective because now each app is basically a service behind a single consistent UI layer. Perhaps thinking of how a browser works might help you understand this. It’s pretty clear you’re just doing demagogy here instead of actually trying to understand the tradeoffs.
So you’re saying that we already have super apps, they’re called the internet, and that the entire concept of an OS level super app is unnecessary and a clear attempt at a company to exert control and extract more money from consumers?
Like I said, we already have that unified interface, it’s called an OS and a web browser. A super app is just a closed off version of that.
Again, you’re defending close platforms run by giant corporations to extra money from you.
Elon isn’t interested in super apps because he cares about the common person, he cares about them because he can build a platform to extract your money with.
No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’ve explained myself very clearly, but it’s clear that you don’t intend to engage with what I’m actually saying.
I am engaging with what you’re saying, and I’m explaining why what you’re saying is wrong.
I’m literally a professional software developer who writes applications. I know the difference between a traditional set of OS apis like you see with Linux, the platformized nonsense iOS apis, the concept of applications using other applications to create a new unified experience using their own published APIs, and apps that publish APIs to try and be platforms.
I have literally used and build software under all of those models and have very clearly engaged with this conversation, so maybe you should be doing some self reflection instead.
Except nowhere have you explained anything about me being wrong. You ignore the obvious and tangible UX benefits that come with a unified UI platform. Maybe once you get a bit more development experience under your belt you’ll be able to understand what I’m trying to explain to you.
a) don’t need a super app to do that, you can build applications with interfaces that unify other applications in whatever way you want, as long as those applications have published APIs, and
b) why we already have unified UI platforms (operating systems & web browsers)
All you have done is blindly defend super apps, while ignoring the point that they are fundamentally closed platforms designed to extract money from consumers.
And I’ve explained to you repeatedly that nobody cares about what you personally want. What’s being discussed is what’s a better UX, which is obviously having a single unified UI backed by APIs. I’ve also explained to you deficiencies in the current UI platforms, but you evidently are unable to grasp these problems.
All you have done is blindly defend super apps, while ignoring the point that they are fundamentally closed platforms designed to extract money from consumers.
Nope, but keep repeating that since you don’t actually have a sound argument to make.
And I’ve explained to you repeatedly that nobody cares about what you personally want. What’s being discussed is what’s a better UX, which is obviously having a single unified UI backed by APIs. I’ve also explained to you deficiencies in the current UI platforms, but you evidently are unable to grasp these problems.
Bruh, you’ve explained jack shit beyond saying ‘but it’s obviously nicer when apps integrate with each other’, and you haven’t once approached explaining why a super app is the architecture necessary to achieve that when we used to have it all the time before walled gardens.
Yes it absolutely is different.
Android, Windows, MacOS, Linux, et al provide you APIs for interacting with the operating system, for instance if I want to send a request over the network, I tell the operating system to send this request through the network card.
But they do not dictate what I draw for my app on the screen, how I send messages between apps, or really anything at the application later. The OS APIs are there as an interface between the hardware and the application layer and that’s it.
Like I said, iOS tries to dips it’s finger far into the application layer and make itself a platform to have more control, not let apps compete with Apple’s apps, and so that they can charge you at every application interaction.
It is a story as old as tech. We build a wonderful open internet based on open standards, so social media companies come in and built a closed network on top of that so that they can control everything. Operating systems have historically been designed by big nerds as relatively open platforms, so what happens? Apple comes along and tries to turn iOS into a closed platform and everyone else comes along and tries to build a closed OS platform (a ‘super app’), on top of the existing open platforms.
Super apps and their design is 100% about enriching the controlling company and nothing else.
And I’m explaining to you that having a unified interface is a benefit from user perspective because now each app is basically a service behind a single consistent UI layer. Perhaps thinking of how a browser works might help you understand this. It’s pretty clear you’re just doing demagogy here instead of actually trying to understand the tradeoffs.
So you’re saying that we already have super apps, they’re called the internet, and that the entire concept of an OS level super app is unnecessary and a clear attempt at a company to exert control and extract more money from consumers?
Like I said, we already have that unified interface, it’s called an OS and a web browser. A super app is just a closed off version of that.
Again, you’re defending close platforms run by giant corporations to extra money from you.
Elon isn’t interested in super apps because he cares about the common person, he cares about them because he can build a platform to extract your money with.
No, that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’ve explained myself very clearly, but it’s clear that you don’t intend to engage with what I’m actually saying.
I am engaging with what you’re saying, and I’m explaining why what you’re saying is wrong.
I’m literally a professional software developer who writes applications. I know the difference between a traditional set of OS apis like you see with Linux, the platformized nonsense iOS apis, the concept of applications using other applications to create a new unified experience using their own published APIs, and apps that publish APIs to try and be platforms.
I have literally used and build software under all of those models and have very clearly engaged with this conversation, so maybe you should be doing some self reflection instead.
Except nowhere have you explained anything about me being wrong. You ignore the obvious and tangible UX benefits that come with a unified UI platform. Maybe once you get a bit more development experience under your belt you’ll be able to understand what I’m trying to explain to you.
I’ve explained repeatedly why you
a) don’t need a super app to do that, you can build applications with interfaces that unify other applications in whatever way you want, as long as those applications have published APIs, and
b) why we already have unified UI platforms (operating systems & web browsers)
All you have done is blindly defend super apps, while ignoring the point that they are fundamentally closed platforms designed to extract money from consumers.
And I’ve explained to you repeatedly that nobody cares about what you personally want. What’s being discussed is what’s a better UX, which is obviously having a single unified UI backed by APIs. I’ve also explained to you deficiencies in the current UI platforms, but you evidently are unable to grasp these problems.
Nope, but keep repeating that since you don’t actually have a sound argument to make.
Bruh, you’ve explained jack shit beyond saying ‘but it’s obviously nicer when apps integrate with each other’, and you haven’t once approached explaining why a super app is the architecture necessary to achieve that when we used to have it all the time before walled gardens.