LOL, you’ve not proved me wrong, I just don’t care to debate, “It can be racist with if black politicians supported it,” with a guy who needed me to explain the crime bills to him. I said 5 comments ago that I shouldn’t bother with someone so ignorant of American politics, and I wish I’d stuck to that, because this is a waste of my fucking time. I’m out.
The example you gave was Democrats enacting legislation requested by the Black caucus. It is the job of politicians to listen to the citizens. Black citizens asking for laws to help the Black community are not racist by definition. Are you going to use affirmative action as an example of Democrats being evil too? Maybe you should understand the examples you are using instead of repeating Russian talking points.
But the crime bill did not increase the number of Blacks incarcerated
Boy, I know I said I was going to stop, but you’re just so wrong all the time and I just can’t stop dunking on you. The crime bills of the 80s and the 1994 bill absolutely did increase the number if incarcerated black men. Even when the percentage went down, the population went up. Let’s look at those statistics in terms of real numbers:
So, even if you see the percentage going down, the actual number of black men being thrown in prison was increasing until the end of the Trump years. It’s also worth noting that we’re only looking at the racist implications of mass incarceration, but all in all, mass incarceration itself is a terrible, right-wing policy that has increased under Democratic and Republican administrations.
Funny enough, the only significant fall came during the Trump years, when the prison population fell 500,000 between 2018 and 2020. I highly doubt that had anything to do with Trump, and imagine it had more to do with Covid than anything else (and potentially state-level legalization of Marijuana), but it again shows that Democrats did little to curb mass incarceration.
OK, I’m really done now. I know I said it before, but I’m really done this time. I’ll stop spreading all this, “Russian propaganda,” that I became aware 20 fucking years ago when I was in college (damn, those Russians play a long game, huh?). I’m out. Good luck.
Your numbers aren’t in the Wikipedia page you linked. Your link did say this:
“However, in the 21st century, the incarceration rates for African American and Hispanic American women have declined”
I already linked this article and here are more links:
“Imprisonment Rate of Black Men Has Fallen By Nearly 50% Since 2000”
Your numbers aren’t in the Wikipedia page you linked.
You gave me percentages. I took the total numbers from Wikipedia and did basic math. Took less than five minutes, dude. Anyway, nothing in the rest of this comment that I haven’t already addressed, so I guess we’re done here. Good luck.
Holy shit dude, the page has the total number of people incarcerated by year. If you can’t find it, I can’t help you, maybe take a tutorial on how the internet works. Then I took that total and used the percentages you gave me to calculate the total number of incarcerated black people. By doing that, I showed that, despite your claim that, “the crime bill did not increase the number of Blacks incarcerate,” even when the number of black people as a percentage of the prison population dropped between 1990 and 2000, the total number of incarcerated balck men went up because the prison population went up. 50% of 10 marbles is less than 20% of 100 marbles, despite being a higher percentage. And, no, despite the one sentence you took out of context about the drop in the prison population (which I’ve referenced 5 fuckint times now), this article backs up literally every fucking thing I said:
In the early 2000s, the U.S. was at its highest rate of imprisonment in history,[65] with young Black men experiencing the highest levels of incarceration. One out of every 15 people imprisoned across the world is a Black American incarcerated in the United States.
Black men and women are imprisoned at higher rates compared to all other age groups, with the highest rate being Black men aged 25 to 39. In 2001, almost 17% of Black men had previously been imprisoned in comparison to 2.6% of White men. By the end of 2002, of the two million inmates of the U.S. incarceration system, Black men surpassed the number of White men (586,700 to 436,800 respectively of inmates with sentences more than one year). Becky Petit and Carmen Gutierrez performed a study, published on October 29, 2018, on the incarceration rate of young African Americans, noting that 48.9% of men arrested by age 23 (born 1980–1984), were African American, while 37.9% were white.
After the passage of Reagan’s Anti-Drug Abuse Act in 1986, incarceration for non-violent offenses dramatically increased. The Act imposed the same five-year mandatory sentence on those with convictions involving crack as on those possessing 100 times as much powder cocaine.
The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 may have had a minor effect on mass incarceration.
Prison populations have been skyrocketing since the Reagan era. Clinton’s actions actually made the problem worse. The subsequent actions under Obama and other Democrats didn’t bring us back to anything like the pre-Reagan era and, at best, led to a slight reduction of the prison population and a slight reduction in how over-represented black Americans are in our prison system. Can you please go find someone else to be wrong at now?
Percentage. There are more people alive today than in 1970. The total number jailed has also gone up.
But the percentage of Blacks incarcerated has gone down. I already said Blacks are still over represented. But it has improved since the crime bill. Your claim the crime bill was racist is false.
I actually lived through it instead of learning “Biden bad facts” from Russian trolls a year ago.
Funny how you are only now not interested in my thoughts after I proved your claim to be wrong.
LOL, you’ve not proved me wrong, I just don’t care to debate, “It can be racist with if black politicians supported it,” with a guy who needed me to explain the crime bills to him. I said 5 comments ago that I shouldn’t bother with someone so ignorant of American politics, and I wish I’d stuck to that, because this is a waste of my fucking time. I’m out.
The example you gave was Democrats enacting legislation requested by the Black caucus. It is the job of politicians to listen to the citizens. Black citizens asking for laws to help the Black community are not racist by definition. Are you going to use affirmative action as an example of Democrats being evil too? Maybe you should understand the examples you are using instead of repeating Russian talking points.
Percentage of blacks in prison:
1970 41%
1980 46%
1990 53%
2000 36%
2020 32%
https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/new-report-finds-imprisonment-rate-of-black-men-has-fallen-by-nearly-50-since-2000-but-pushback-threatens-continued-progress/
Yes Blacks are still over represented in prison populations. But the crime bill did not increase the number of Blacks incarcerated.
Boy, I know I said I was going to stop, but you’re just so wrong all the time and I just can’t stop dunking on you. The crime bills of the 80s and the 1994 bill absolutely did increase the number if incarcerated black men. Even when the percentage went down, the population went up. Let’s look at those statistics in terms of real numbers:
1970: 328,020 prisoners, 134,488 black
1980 503,586 prisoners, 231,650 balck
1990 1,148,702 prisoners, 608,812 black
2000 1,937,482 prisoners, 697,494 black
2020 1,675,400 prisoners, 536,128 black
Source
So, even if you see the percentage going down, the actual number of black men being thrown in prison was increasing until the end of the Trump years. It’s also worth noting that we’re only looking at the racist implications of mass incarceration, but all in all, mass incarceration itself is a terrible, right-wing policy that has increased under Democratic and Republican administrations.
Funny enough, the only significant fall came during the Trump years, when the prison population fell 500,000 between 2018 and 2020. I highly doubt that had anything to do with Trump, and imagine it had more to do with Covid than anything else (and potentially state-level legalization of Marijuana), but it again shows that Democrats did little to curb mass incarceration.
OK, I’m really done now. I know I said it before, but I’m really done this time. I’ll stop spreading all this, “Russian propaganda,” that I became aware 20 fucking years ago when I was in college (damn, those Russians play a long game, huh?). I’m out. Good luck.
Your numbers aren’t in the Wikipedia page you linked. Your link did say this: “However, in the 21st century, the incarceration rates for African American and Hispanic American women have declined”
I already linked this article and here are more links: “Imprisonment Rate of Black Men Has Fallen By Nearly 50% Since 2000”
https://www.sentencingproject.org/press-releases/new-report-finds-imprisonment-rate-of-black-men-has-fallen-by-nearly-50-since-2000-but-pushback-threatens-continued-progress/
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ji20st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/p00.pdf
You gave me percentages. I took the total numbers from Wikipedia and did basic math. Took less than five minutes, dude. Anyway, nothing in the rest of this comment that I haven’t already addressed, so I guess we’re done here. Good luck.
The wikipedia link you gave doesn’t have historical numbers? But it did say Black incarceration declined. Which is the opposite of your claim.
Holy shit dude, the page has the total number of people incarcerated by year. If you can’t find it, I can’t help you, maybe take a tutorial on how the internet works. Then I took that total and used the percentages you gave me to calculate the total number of incarcerated black people. By doing that, I showed that, despite your claim that, “the crime bill did not increase the number of Blacks incarcerate,” even when the number of black people as a percentage of the prison population dropped between 1990 and 2000, the total number of incarcerated balck men went up because the prison population went up. 50% of 10 marbles is less than 20% of 100 marbles, despite being a higher percentage. And, no, despite the one sentence you took out of context about the drop in the prison population (which I’ve referenced 5 fuckint times now), this article backs up literally every fucking thing I said:
Prison populations have been skyrocketing since the Reagan era. Clinton’s actions actually made the problem worse. The subsequent actions under Obama and other Democrats didn’t bring us back to anything like the pre-Reagan era and, at best, led to a slight reduction of the prison population and a slight reduction in how over-represented black Americans are in our prison system. Can you please go find someone else to be wrong at now?
Percentage. There are more people alive today than in 1970. The total number jailed has also gone up.
But the percentage of Blacks incarcerated has gone down. I already said Blacks are still over represented. But it has improved since the crime bill. Your claim the crime bill was racist is false.