I understand where you’re coming from, because many societies are being structured in ways that make it feel like you are only hurting yourself by not being just and moral. It’s truly horrible when trying to live a life following “the good” puts you in the path of pain all the time, working jobs you don’t want to afford not to be put out on the street (and God forbid you want to have kids if you’re in a high cost of living area).
With all that being said: I’d fear becoming an evil person more than dying poor. I hope that we can work together to make a world that isn’t run by greedy, bad people.
Wait till you realize morality is shitty fucked up crutch that doesn’t work at best and a tool to control people at… usual, not even the worst
Don’t use being poor to justify your shitty choices bro, wtf? Trash take.
I’m sorry but this is fucking stupid. WHO is calling WHAT immoral? Someone babbling on recycling, who the fuck cares about recycling?
Poorest people are 100% capable of making choices that align with their personal values as anyone else. This is such a fucking Christian thread. What, do you think morals come from the Bible? what a joke
People is bad or good. Money don’t have that much factor in that. It only changes the type of “bad things” you do, but bad people will do bad things and good people will do good things.
Don’t fall for the sentient that all poor are good and all rich are bad, or that all rich are good and all poor are bad. Because that doesn’t correlate with really.
Yes, maybe a poor bad fella will stab you, while a bad rich guy will deny your medical insurance. They both are taking your life, different approaches to evilness due different disposable income available to do evil shit.
I’m rich and I love stabbing. Stop excluding me from your straw men arguments.
Seems like there’s plenty of entitled wealthy people in this thread. People who don’t understand what it’s like to be systemically pushed down into the mud; what it’s like when all of your choices are either bad or worse.
“But you can recycle…” Shut the fuck up dude, recycling doesn’t feed my fucking family. Recycling doesn’t replace the years spent in an education system that’s designed to make you a factory worker. Recycling doesn’t bring living-wage-paying jobs to my hometown.
When the bills are in the mail, the tax man is coming, the landlord’s raising the rent, and the bossman is driving a new car every year but can’t pay you enough to keep your bank account from overdrafting, sometimes you have to do “immoral” shit.
Sometimes you have to kill an animal with no hunting license, sometimes you have to find a place to stay warm for the night, sometimes you have to feed your kids when all you have is cardboard and that might mean stealing bread from the dollar store.
I remember the millionaire who wanted to prove that he could rebuild his wealth if he started from scratch again. He cheated a little bit because he used his friend apartment for free.
Fast forward, he gave up after a couple of months and understood what the rest of us knew for ages.
Wealthy people are delusional and no amount of reasoning will work with them.
Well this is getting added to my playlist.
Dude looks like Tyler Cassidy’s nephew or something.
So you listed a bunch of things that make sense for illegal things you might have to do in order to acquire food but just because you are poor why can’t you recycle?
That’s not the point.
The point is that doing little things like reducing reusing and recycling are not the end-all be-all solution to being broke. I’m saying that doing moral things doesn’t automatically give you a liveable life; it doesn’t magically make everything ok.
This is true and I am saying that as someone who is well off, the movie parasite talks about this great. Its easy to be a nice person when your rich
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Are you sure your not just being lazy? Maybe it was the choices you made that landed you there. It’s not like there is a whole system in place to oppress a certain class of people.
I cannot believe that you’re being downvoted. This place disappoints me.
I was told I’m a politician in another thread so… yeah I don’t know man.
Looks like the consensus finally turned around somewhat
Honestly, rich people are pretty shitty themselves.
But not for lack of choice, that’s the point here.
I guess? But it’s also morally just to reuse disposables, repair instead of replace, conserve and reduce waste, and delay new purchases as long as possible. I’m doing environmental conservationism just by being poor!
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. … A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. … But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socio-economic unfairness. (Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms)
This is the single greatest example I have seen highlighting the problem.
The poor cannot afford to have things that last, things that allow them to think of the future, and hence are stuck in a cycle of debt in the present to near future time periods.
However what I don’t understand is how the rich get so short sighted when they have both the motivation and resources to plan for long term outcomes. Doesn’t make sense.
Underpaying workers leads to worse productivity and apathy towards your superiors.
Does the world really have so few resources that the only way to keep number go up is to exploit the less fortunate? When will feudalism truly end?
The rich will throw away their perfectly fine boots after a few years because they aren’t in style anymore.
The rich have that option.
I read “The rich have that opinion.” at first and that somehow fits just as well.
Yes, being poor is bad.
No, it’s righteous.
You just went from having to be immoral when you’re poor to being poor being righteous?
Please make up your mind.
This is what people tell themselves to cope better. There’s nothing good about not being able to afford stuff and juggling between buyin groceries and paying the bills.
I dunno, you really want to stick your head out for capitalism like that?
Wanting to live a non-shitty life is somehow bad? Dounds like someone who’s working for capitalists would say. “Shut up and eat your mac and cheese, it’s your destiny!”
No, i have to admit, I’m trying to gauge what people actually believe. I understand morality can’t be summed up into a set of infallible rules and it’s incredibly hard to teach everyone the ethical frameworks necessary to determine true moral justification for any given situation. The argument about personal liberty is just one what everyone has to reckon with and I’m curious if people still come to the same conclusions I always have.
Long sentence, zero substance. I’m trying and I can’t sum it up to see what you wanted to tell, in ahort, or how is it connected to previous conversation. I think more and more that you are a politician.
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Righteousness doesn’t put food in my stomach, shoes on my feet, a roof over my head, or solve any of the other problems caused by poverty.
They can choose not to.
