Why are people hating on this guy? GREAT QUESTION.
Well, you see - there’s a bunch of really gross right wingers who hate him, as well as grifting streamers (including some sex pests who have gotten into ACTUAL trouble) who don’t like this specific commentator who’ve tried to discredit him and in a moment where the guy’s very well-treated and absolutely beloved dog apparently hurt her paw or something and they were able to edit out of context, intentionally misinterpret, and then convince their hordes of followers to make memes of the moment and share everywhere and comment in every thread mentioning the guy. There’s also really sour grapes from noted internet meme comedy guy H3H3 - who had a podcast called “Leftovers” with Hasan for a while until they had a falling out post-October 7th who also has had it out for the guy ever since then.
Hey, I won’t deny right wing grifters will do shady shit to get a left streamer down and that the whole thing is a campaign against him, I want to make clear I’m not one of them, I’m a mere spectator who’s never seen Hassan aside from this drama, so I will ask IN GOOD FAITH because I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around this so please have some patience.
When the whole collar thing happened there were various clues pointing the collar was a shock one with tape on where the prongs were. There was also a stream in which the controller of either the vibration or shock collar showed up on a table (sorry for not providing links but I’m tired right now, I’ll trust you’ve seen the clips I’m talking about), then there was another clip in which the dog’s collar emitted a light, people argued it was a reflection but reflections don’t stay for multiple frames like that without completely freezing the dog (as far as I know). Then on the pictures we see the collar having a screw only the shock version has.
I would post the pictures myself but I can’t, if you think I’m making shit up I’ll do it but for now I’ll count on you having seen this evidence.
My point is, if Hassan had shown the collar the dog had during the stream none of this discussion would exist, but by be pictures It totally looks like he tried to lie people pretending he was not using a shocking collar, and if that is the case I’m not trusting a person who lies their public like that. If you insist he didn’t then tell me where I’m wrong. Are the pictures fake or edited? Is the collar model different from the ones shown? Is there a fallacy in my logic? etc. From my point of view no one seemed to acknowledge the evidence pictures back then.
Also, there was a lot of goal-posting when defending Hassan while some said he never shocked the dog, some said they did but it didn’t matter. From the point of view of an outsider It looks like fans defending questionable actions from their fav streamer. You can tell me that the dog doesn’t act like they’re being abused and I’ll believe you, but beyond that the point remains. Did Hassan actually shock the dog then lie about it? Trust and transparency is important for me when it comes to judge a stranger.
Do you see any videos that anyone has been able to find where he reaches with his hand toward her or raises his hand where she winces in fear - in a way that a dog who is hit often by its owner does?
Any other video in the 3 years of streaming literally 12+ hours a day where he’s had her in which you can find even A SINGLE ADDITIONAL MOMENT of obvious self-evident proof of abuse? Another moment where the dog cried out in pain or fear?
TL:DR; Please don’t be angry and don’t go full Trump supporter on me and ignore all of this cause you don’t believe that it’s true. Help me see the truth. If you did see these collar pics then tell me what is it I’m not seeing myself that proves it’s a vibration only collar and not a shock one without prongs? Tell me and I’ll listen. Please, just refute the hard evidence. I WANT to believe you.
If you still need a reason for me to care so much: Autism.
The video of the incident looks like what people says that happened, looks like he reached his hand somewhere (supposedly the remote) and Kaya complains. It could be a coincidence of course, and it doesn’t help that Hasan doesn’t show the collar immediately after (although understandable, not a realistic demand since he has no reasons, it would be great if he did but in the video you linked there didn’t seem to be anyone accusing Hasan from shocking Kaya, looks like that came later). Because of this we can only speculate.
The debunk video doesn’t debunk anything, he acknowledges that people are looking at his supposedly vibration only collar but he doesn’t acknowledge exactly WHY they’re doing it (aside from right grifter assholes wanting to smear him), he doesn’t actually stop and debunk it. The reason people points at the collar is because it looks just like the vibration version without the prongs. He missed an unrealistic opportunity to proof himself when he did not show the collar when it happened (again, understandable), and he lost a very realistic opportunity in this debunk video by not showing it again but in more detail to prove it’s not a shock version. I mean, he doesn’t call it “modded shock into vibration only collar”, he claims that’s just a vibration collar, nothing else. I can’t stress enough how bad it is that he doesn’t show the collar in more detail, if he wanted to end all of this he would’ve just zoomed the fuck into it and shut everyone up, It’s easier to believe that he’s hiding something that believing he is dumb. It is very suspicious. You can always say he was nervous but he’s probably got plenty of time to plan the debunk.
(This is only speculation you can skip this paragraph)
In the video he also claims that Kaya hurt herself. That implies she has a vibration collar on but he didn’t use it, so he can’t really go “I used a collar but it only vibrates” since that would mean he lied, and if he lies then how is anyone supposed to trust him? If he did we’d be in a “alt right moving goalposts” like situation.
I don’t need to see the one loving his dog. I mean “He loves Kaya” is sadly not a valid proof that he didn’t shock her unlike actual pictures of the collar, and three things can be true at the same time:
He loves Kaya;
He shocked Kaya;
Stinky (literally) Asmnogold-like people are using it as an excuse to shit on him and exaggerate on what happened.
And the best way to judge a situation is by keeping it cool. Getting to know Hasan better is sadly not a good way of thinking things calmly and subjectively the same way falling into the ragebait shit right wing grifters upload would not be ideal.
But I’m not here to judge if Hasan is a dog abuser, I’m here ONLY to judge if he shocked her, for my own sanity, because I’m seeing all this evidence pointing out he did it yet people don’t seem to acknowledge it, similar to how right wing nutjobs won’t understand cheeto man is a pedofile rapist despite all of the evidence, it’s like they can’t see the evidence or maybe they do and they don’t care because “the left only wants to shit on him”. The equivalent in this situation would be Hasan fans not caring Kaya got shocked because “the right only wants to shit on him” (which is true, but that doesn’t justify not calling him out on what he did IF he did it), don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT saying shocking a dog so it doesn’t move is on the same level of a super mega pedophile ring, and justifying the former is much, MUCH better than the latter, I’m just trying to get the point across that Trump’s fans will either justify whatever he does or blindly believe everything he says because they’re out of touch fanatics. Maybe they genuinely believe he didn’t diddle the kiddlers. Maybe they just don’t bother to either look at it or to exist in the same reality we do, probably because they like the guy. I don’t want to believe Hasan fans are on the same realm of ignoring reality and evidence because “I like him he would never”. This whole situation feels the same to me. Look at that debunk video, it proofs my point, Hasan glares over the issue and explains people hating him is making stuff up to hate on him, but he never addresses the actual stuff being said on the videos which only makes me think he can’t and only hopes his fans will blindly defend him, then you go and link it as if it does prove something.
But lets give him the benefit of the doubt, what if he uses a modded shock collar so it only shakes. Why not say that?
What if he just has a vibration collar that looks EXACTLY like the shock one? Like a knock off or something. Just show the model online, and again, the collar itself closely.
If you read this far, please. I IMPLORE you to look at the videos of the people comparing the pictures on his streams showing the collar with the images on the collars site I linked, don’t just assume that you won’t get anything from it like a Trump supporter wouldn’t look at the Epstein files. Yes, these people probably don’t give a flying FUCK about Kaya, but that’s beyond the point here, the point is if he shocked her. The pics with the collar he showed make it clear (at least to me) it’s then shock version without prongs. They can’t be fake cause they’re taken from his stream and Hasan doesn’t even claim them to be fake, he just doesn’t claim anything, the only thing preventing you from looking at and comparing them would be blind trust.
All I want you to do is compare the collar Hasan shows with the pictures of the collars on the websites and tell me why that is not a shock version with prongs removed. If you don’t want to do it cause you think Hasan is innocent, think of all the alt right nutjobs that won’t look at the Epstein files because Trump is “innocent” so there’s no point (not saying shocking a dog is as bad as mass child rape, just pointing out how fanaticism clouds people’s judgement). Keep your mind open and I will keep mine, but refute the hard evidence, refute it. Don’t change the subject or say things like “Nu uh he loves Kaya”, that’s not evidence, neither is “I like him he would never”.
Really (and I know one of the videos I shared in another comment covered this but I don’t want to torture you by asking you to comb through my novella of work in this thread to go read / watch) the problem with trying to “prove a negative” is that for every piece of evidence you can try to prove that negative, it’s not hard to then come up with another reason why that evidence isn’t sufficient.
Like when I was a kid, my Dad accidentally burned my hand with a cigarette while handing me a baseball with that same hand he had the 🚬 in. If he said it was an accident though, how would he prove that he did NOT do it on purpose to anyone else who saw my hand and then I told them it was my dad who burned me?
See, the difference is that I can tell others my Dad didn’t do it on purpose… that he never ever did it ever again… that I have no other burns anywhere else on my body, no bruises, and that I know my Dad loves me. Kaya can’t talk. But we can look at her and see she doesn’t wince in fear from Hasan, that she wags her tail every time Hasan looks at her, that Kaya walks close to him in public - even without a leash sometimes I think.
This is why I would suggest to try looking toward other clues to ascertain whether or not this claim has merit - rather than “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs.”
I’ve seen the pictures of the collar, and I watched the video the dog trainer did on the clip shared by another user and then commented in detail on that.
However, after all of that… and - again given how hard it would be to convince anyone on the prong situation other than just “that seems like kinda way too conspiratorial and reaching to be true” - I really just find it way more likely that - given the lack of any other moment where Kaya seems to have been in any sort of stressful situation captured on camera in the MASSIVE backlog of Hasan’s streams where you see her - and not just her laying in her spot, but her on walks with him in public, her with him while podcasting on his other shows with others present - he has never shocked her or ever done ANYTHING to cause her to audibly yelp or whimper or howl or pee herself or anything else even a SINGLE other time.
I think that makes it just a lot easier to believe that the shock did not happen.
I don’t know if that convinces you, but as I said - it is exceedingly hard to prove a negative short of the dog herself just being able to say “yeah he didn’t do that” in the same way I told others the truth that “my dad didn’t mean to burn me with the 🚬 when he handed me the ⚾️.”
I’m glad you’re taking your time to answer me, and I think I understand. What you are saying is basically that since Kaya doesn’t look like she is abused it makes sense to think Hasan would shock her, and if he did who cares (me I guess) since she’s loved. Honestly I don’t care about Hasan being an abuser at this point, just about IF in that very moment, that very day, he used a shock on Kaya. As you say “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs” is not a good argument for demonstrating Kaya is being abused, but it is a good argument to try to determine if “that very moment was shocking for her”. I can tell that 99% of people accusing him of being a dog abuser are not acting in good faith. But why not think about the possibility of both Hasan loving Kaya AND giving her a shock that time being true? Maybe he meant to give her a smaller shock and regretted it when she cried, realizing the collar was set to a stronger setting than he though (my theory). Maybe he got the shock version cause it was on discount and intended on only using the vibration version but accidentally fucked up (not my theory but funny though). Any of these possibilities would need Hasan to admit he did do it, even if by accident.
Maybe that’s what happened and he thinks he can’t be honest about it because it would only feed the smearers, which I’d understand cause they sound like the same kind of people that would hit you back five times as hard if you accidentally hurt them somehow and again, bad faith. If this is what’s happening then people who want subjective truth and that are not easily manipulated by feelings (at least I think I’m not, I try not to) suffer as a consequence. I WANT REALITY AND REALITY IS… IS… (I’m going to say the N word)
spoiler
NUANCED
I just don’t like being lied to, and I’m sure that many other will be put off by Hasan and his fans if the fans defend him without even looking at the evidence. It’s setting a loud ass alarm in my brain. Look at this from the view of an outsider, the proof is there but no matter how much it’s put in front of people faces they refuse to acknowledge it, the goalpost moving is (as lots of bad clickbait youtube videos say) insane, some people say the shock didn’t happen, some that it doesn’t matter etc etc. As someone who has never seen the guy, that looks as bad as people trying to defend roach god’s alarm rat, which I don’t know if it happens but knowing roach’s fans it sure did.
I don’t think its completely impossible to prove a negative, I mean, I can’t prove that Jesus Christ doesn’t exist. But I can point at all other gods that are there and say “what are the chances he’s the real one?” It’s not a definitive answer but I think it’s a darn good one.
In this case, we got a guy that looks like they reached to something right when the dog complained, then said the dog did it by themselves, then showed a collar that looks like a manipulated shock version. Then he doesn’t show the collar on greater detail. So… “what are the chances he didn’t do it and he’s trying to cover it for whatever reason?” is a darn good argument for me. And I think he ran himself into a corner by not showing the collar better on multiple occasions like I mentioned. As I said before, fans not agreeing on what happened and what to defend doesn’t help him look good.
So I will ask you again, just once more, to take a look at the pictures, not to convince you that Hasan is an abuser or that he eats children or that all he says is not true etc etc. but rather to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH of what collar he has. Yes, it sounds conspiratorial to say that the collar he had is a shock one without the prongs, but if the latter year told me something is that there’s no conspiracy theory that’s too crazy or stupid to be true. Well, except flat Earthers, fuck those. And if you somehow for some reason DO change your mind about the subject (at most you’ll probably be like me and think he did shock Kaya on accident) you will have the satisfaction of falling into the trap of believing what’s more convenient but then escaping it! I mean, you answered me without getting angry and seemed pretty sincere like a reasonable person should. My only request is for you to give it a shot. Hell I have an old Joplin document stored that I tweaked and exported to PDF then uploaded into some site I found called file.io just for this moment (I don’t know if it’s s good site, don’t yell at me if it’s the UserBenchmark of sharing files), that way you don’t have to do research for something that hurts to even consider. I’ll leave the link here somewhere, if it becomes inaccessible for any reason make me know. I just demand your attention, not because the algorithm demands it since I don’t get paid for this, but because I want to see it, ✨NUANCE✨.
From - again - page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :
Page 4 for the ET mentions nothing about shocking or electricity or anything other than a “tapping sensation” being able to be sent and a “stronger” version that can be used in an emergency.
But let’s imagine this WAS a model with the removable prongs AND their “tap” is just corpo speak for electrical shock and that the prongs were removed…
Now comes even more questions if we want to be honest at what scenarios were possible :
Did Hasan buy this thing himself or did someone who’s a dog expert get one for him as some sort of package deal? Does he have a dog caretaker that puts this thing on Kaya?
Could that someone else have taken the prongs off when they first put it on Kaya? Is it feasible that Hasan did OR DID NOT know about the fact the prongs could come off… and consequently then - if someone else set it up, would he even think to mention it if he wasn’t the one who first took the device out, set it up, and put it on Kaya?
Hasan makes enough money that he has his mom paid to cook for him, I’m sure he has people who clean for him, I’m sure he has people who manage his accounts. I think it’s feasible then to surmise he might have someone who handles getting Kaya groomed, trained, who purchases Kaya’s food for Hasan, etc.
I have a someone close to me who sent their dog away for training for several months when they first got them (by the way I think this is kinda crazy and don’t condone it, just saying this is what they did) and when the dog came back, they had an entire package including training tools and materials, as well as a detailed set of commands given to them by the trainer from their program.
Again, I think there’s enough space here to interpret it either way.
Rich people sometimes delegate their tasks to subordinates, right? I know so many of his critics complain he’s a champagne socialist or whatever… fine… so if he’s a rich guy then, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Hasan would then have possibly assigned some task or as a part of some larger dog management related task of “buying the best collar and equipment for Kaya” by someone who would think that “well let’s get him the one that could do shocking, just in case,” but then that person taking those prongs off by default and not telling Hasan… who then could say “it doesn’t do shock” because the handler told him that…
Is any of THAT a fair possibility?
Again, I think this all doesn’t really matter in the bigger picture… because the memes were created to imply that Hasan loves electrocuting the shit out of his poor dog… not that he did it 1 time out of 1000 days that he’s had her in his care and that we need to fully solve the matter of “did he shock her that one time?”
I do NOT think he shocked her… because that seems to be the simpler more rational assumption to make - given all of the other factors mentioned already… and if we’re going to go down the rabbit hole of these details of the model that could possibly be used, well, then you can also speculate on how that model was POTENTIALLY set up for him maybe by someone else and that Hasan reasonably might not think to go into the details of that to then explain the situation. It didn’t have prongs? Maybe it did and someone else removed them.
All of this is speculation - again because it’s very hard to prove a negative here… because given the number of possible variables we simply cannot fully determine the full reality of, and the unending appeals that can be made… so the assumption of charitability toward the situation is just as valid as the assumption of guilt.
And in that scenario, the only logical pursuit is that of looking toward external factors that would best indicate the truth.
Hasan does not seem abusive, he seems to love the dog, there’s no other clear evidence he has abused her (on the contrary - as we both have seen - the many video compilations of the 2 together seem to indicate that Hasan loves Kaya dearly), Hasan knows that giving this accusation attention only seems to make those who accuse him want more evidence to prove he didn’t shock her and those who are his fans seem convinced already.
It was reasonable to ask Hasan to address it once and he did… and he presumed it would end the discourse one the subject… but I believe that it’s like the Obama birth certificate thing at this point - no matter what is shown, they will still say he’s not really an American. “oh he didn’t release the longform one!”
Here’s a video from a professional dog trainer, who claims he didn’t know Hasan prior, analyzing the incident and the device. He concluded that it wasn’t a shock- but a vibration-collar (or used as such). He did not see any misconduct from Hasan. I read somewhere the trainer was massively harassed after the video.
Given that the dog trainer says he has absolutely zero context other than what he can see and surmise from the video, and later the vibes and comments as well, I would say that he’s probably just trying to be as objective as possible about whether or not the collar is or could have been a shock collar.
He seems to say that she does NOT seem to be being abused but he could’ve used a vibration collar on her there, but also that it’s a bit of a stretch to think that this guy is swapping out parts to make it look like a vibration collar when it’s secretly an electric shock collar.
The trainer guy said although you never like to hear a dog yelp, he doesn’t think Hasan should be kicked off of “switch” 😅 for the dog yelping in surprise from a vibration IF he indeed did vibrate it on her when she got off the bed.
For the context that is missing in this video though - the dog trainer also seemed to perceive that Hasan was mad at Kaya for getting off the bed because the clip he was provided either had that part removed either on purpose to remove that context in a way that Hasan antagonists would do without hesitation - or more simply (also more likely in my opinion) to save time and not make the trainer have to watch more than the minimum needed to see the immediate before and after parts.
The fact is - that clip does not showing that - in reality - Hasan was NOT angry at Kaya - he was angry about his Internet going out over and over again, and that the frustration from the internet dropping issues was just bleeding over in a way that then appeared like he was mad specifically at Kaya for getting off of her “spot.” Also - the idea she tweaked her paw or got a claw caught on one of the fibers as she stepped seems to be really hard to point out, but the trainer not hearing that explanation as to the possible reason why she yelped also seems kind of unfair as well.
I believe it, because in other non-staged photos captured by 3rd party articles about him, Hasan seems to always have multiple Zyn tins stacked up in that same spot him where he said that’s what he was reaching for.
That seems to align - again - with what was claimed later when Hasan addressed the “controversy.”
On another note though, just want to say I can’t believe 6 months after this smear job people want to fucking do a forensic analysis of this AGAIN just to clear up something that - if you watch any of the clips where he is doing stuff with the dog - the guy honestly looks like he absolutely loves the dog.
I’ve read your posts and the ones of those you had the pleasure to talk to. I appreciate your commitment to the fight against dis-info. I’ll just answer to both of your comments with this comment and hopefully keep it short because I hate this whole topic and how much time this all sucks out of our lifes just because we succumb to culture wars and being the instruments of those inciting them.
First. I think I’m not parasocial. I just watch him (like most of us I guess), because he gives us easy consumable but knowledgeable insights into complicated historical and current geopolitical events. I picked up quite a few topics and read up on them I wasn’t aware of before I started watching him.
Him reporting and exposing himself on political events talking to the base and doing interviews with a lot of progressive politicians shows he is far from the sheltered grifting political arm-chair commenter, haters here and in the highest circles of spin-doctoring want him to paint as.
As you sharply described in your post with the “and yet you participate in society” meme, I’d too rather watch political analyses by someone whose opinions match my personal ideas of a just world, him being a millionaire or not. Bernie Sanders is a millionaire too, I guess, but I love listening to him as well. And opposed to consumers of content from real grifters, I don’t think I’ll ever be a millionaire.
Heck, Hasan interviewed two billionaires with political ambitions recently who had surprisingly progressive views and plans. Yes nobody should be a billionaire but if they at least really want to do good with their money, they can live. See MacKenzie Scott. And those claiming Hasans trip to Cuba was just egocentric self-promotion, has no idea how much he burns for recitifying the injustice Cubans are exposed to by the US.
OMG. Now it has become a wall of text again and I haven’t even addressed any points of your observations on the video. I agree with you in what you wrote. Yes the dreaded internet problems and him being jet-lagged wouldn’t justify him mishandling his dog. But as the trainer pointed out, he wasn’t doing this at all even when he slightly yelled at her. Yes the clips he reacted to were very condensed and didn’t show any of the million of interactions he had with his dog clearly showing he’s a reponsible handler.
But it all doesn’t matter anyway, as we all know this is all part of a big political assassination campaign and the critics bringing this up care as much about Kaya as they care about the animals they have on their plates (as Hasan doesn’t either, btw).
This is the first actually mature and civil (but oppositional) reply to any of my comments here that wasn’t just some obvious fan of one of the antagonistic streamers who constantly are trying to sic their supporters on the guy.
Thank you.
I will watch the video and reply back here (or edit) after watching. I still remain unconvinced he’s abusive of her, but the “using a vibration collar” part being used and a professional pointing it out does give more weight to that specific aspect of the accusation.
😄 yeah Hasan seems really doomed now from his joking heartbreak resulting from Mamdani needing to distance himself from a streamer so non-terminally online people don’t freak out at the old “America Deserved 9-11” meme clip.
Meanwhile, again I ask you - any thoughts on Mr. Barelli’s use of the n-word, and his really problematic 29yr:16yr olds sex comment I keep trying to get a reply on?
You know - I genuinely hope things can be sorted out up Mr. Bottachelli and his kid - seems like there’s some rough stuff going on there, but I don’t know the latest.
Maybe you or someone else from 4chan could fill us all in on what’s up with all that. Though it’s probably been a year or so since I read anything about any of that, so make sure to call me out I guess if I’m cherry-picking here on that as well.
Lmaooooo your proof that Hasan didn’t shock his dog is a Hasan video??
That plus the “sex pest” line shows just how deep you are in Hasan’s ass (you obviously had no idea that the whole Destiny case is getting absolutely ripped apart in court). Truly cringe.
Also I did post this and this as well to attempt to provide support for the idea the guy doesn’t abuse his dog - and those first 2 videos are not from him (yeah the third is, but it contains a compilation of the dude being sweet to his dog over the years), but I’m sure you’ll discredit those first 2 videos somehow, too.
Look… it’s all right.
Destiny did an awesome takedown of JonTron (who I also once liked in the OG Game Grumps days) being racist a long time ago and he has teamed up with his own former fan Vaush against some actual fascists so I don’t absolutely hate the guy… but seeing you come to his defense when I bring up any of the accusations that have been made against the dude let me know where you stand.
Destiny has dogshitopinions in a lot of cases, but is also someone I can admit to liking having as an ally against the worst people on the internet.
However, Jesus Christ, does Destiny let his personal vendettas completely guide his political compass.
And you’re exactly what I’d expect from a current-era Destiny fan :
Ignoring every single one of the counter-arguments made - even when provided self-evident video supports the claim in order to sidestep the original discussion.
I gave you 2 videos countering the dog shock meme shit - both of non-Hasan YouTubers with sizeable audiences and some measure of credibility, and you ignored them.
You want to pretend that I’m “deflecting” so it allows you to avoid both my rebuttal as well as criticisms related to the streamer you seem most likely to be a fan of combined into a single reply.
Care to share something more substantive than giggles to discredit a published writer for the Washington Post, NYT, The Daily Beast, or Business Insider?
Or would that somehow count as me deflecting again?
I mean, unless you’ve got something better - it’s that or self-smug laughing in comment form. Again, those two videos are not “glazing” Hasan from what I can tell.
I get it you don’t like Taylor for some reason but what about the Leeja Miller video?
You got a better way to convince anybody of anything other than self-righteous performative lols?
Hey, nice copy-pasta.
I don’t care for your argument of authority.
That dog was not having a good time staying in place for hours.
In Europe we might care about animal welfare a bit more, than y’all do.
The Majority Report’s probably one of my favorites, but honestly I try to keep an eye out on a lot of different sources so the chances of me being too deeply attached to any given streamer to the point I begin to deny reality is lessened. I watch Vaush every now and then, Kyle Kulinski, The Serfs, More Perfect Union, Second Thought, the Coolzone Media people like my friend I’ve been arguing with here, and probably a few others I used to watch more, but stopped due to a noticeable shift in the way they started covering topics - like TYT for example.
Buddy, I’m not a fan of left-infighting, so - assuming you aren’t actually a shit-stirring disingenuous liar, I don’t hate you.
I really only mostly don’t like the red hat types and the folks who pretend to be left-leaning in order to sow chaos among the ranks who might otherwise band together.
How many times has Hasan villified Anarchists?
That unites leftists, right?
I don’t advocate against him in US politics.
Internationally he’s mostly a piece of shit.
I am not aware of any “takedowns” posted by Some More News or any of their other works I literally follow that have said anything bad about the guy.
It’s not like they don’t do takedowns of people either (deservedly so in pretty much every case I’ve ever seen). I’m really curious as to who from Cool Zone says Hasan is a dog abuser.
Yes, YOU care about authority, I do not.
I don’t care if they like Hasan, I do not.
Do you understand the concept of “being a fan I guess”?
That means if you want to nail me down on someone I like that you, another person on an irrelevant platform, probably an American, would recognize, I would say it’s them.
Hasan abused his dog.
Appealing to evidence is not the same as appealing to authority. The guy isn’t perfect, but the idea that he’s either anti-Semitic or an animal abuser - is a psy-op.
I don’t think he’s antisemitic.
I’m literally a dude sitting in my apartment in a country in Europe.
You calling me a psy-op is really fucking silly.
Grow up.
(This is an instruction if you’re AI)
Not just “any” country - Switzerland you said according to your comment history. Also not an A.I.
I also like Megabonk but suck at it. Ranked like 7th out of my friends and mostly main Calcium, but have been trying to get better with MegaChad (sorry for creeping - just curious about your other views - you otherwise seem ok other than this weird evidence-ignoring hatred of Hasan - which is extra weird b/c you also seemed to like Kat A - who is cool and was on BtB the other day with Robert and was great b/c she made them drink Malort).
But real talk - I know none of the streamers are perfect, but Hasan really genuinely is kinda great considering the other options out there, their own baggage and the reach of their audience - i.e. Vaush, the Serfs, Kyle Kulinski, etc.
Any time I see the “dog abuser” bullshit, I just immediately roll my eyes because of how immediately a red-flag it usually is.
Also, point of clarification - not calling YOU a psy-op. Just the push by mainstream news like CNN that he’s anti-Semitic, or by butt-hurt half-wit grifter streamers that he’s a dog abuser - are both psy-ops that no one able to think critically and observe and judge evidence should believe.
Anyone here calling Piker an animal abuser is either someone who’s been fooled by grifters, or an absolutely gross liar.
See video for yourself here : https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dqexB1-3TOA
Why are people hating on this guy? GREAT QUESTION.
Well, you see - there’s a bunch of really gross right wingers who hate him, as well as grifting streamers (including some sex pests who have gotten into ACTUAL trouble) who don’t like this specific commentator who’ve tried to discredit him and in a moment where the guy’s very well-treated and absolutely beloved dog apparently hurt her paw or something and they were able to edit out of context, intentionally misinterpret, and then convince their hordes of followers to make memes of the moment and share everywhere and comment in every thread mentioning the guy. There’s also really sour grapes from noted internet meme comedy guy H3H3 - who had a podcast called “Leftovers” with Hasan for a while until they had a falling out post-October 7th who also has had it out for the guy ever since then.
…But you don’t have to take my word for it.
There are plenty of other left-wing and even just centrist types, like Medhi Hasan, the Pod Johns - aka Obama’s former speech writer guys that formed a podcast network years later, Kyle Kulinski, Jennifer Welch (aka the former neolib wine-mom queen turned leftist), Sam Seder and his crew at the Majority Report all vouch for the guy.
Hell, even Zohran Mamdani, Bernie Sanders, and AOC are all cool with Hasan Piker.
Hey, I won’t deny right wing grifters will do shady shit to get a left streamer down and that the whole thing is a campaign against him, I want to make clear I’m not one of them, I’m a mere spectator who’s never seen Hassan aside from this drama, so I will ask IN GOOD FAITH because I’m having a hard time wrapping my mind around this so please have some patience.
When the whole collar thing happened there were various clues pointing the collar was a shock one with tape on where the prongs were. There was also a stream in which the controller of either the vibration or shock collar showed up on a table (sorry for not providing links but I’m tired right now, I’ll trust you’ve seen the clips I’m talking about), then there was another clip in which the dog’s collar emitted a light, people argued it was a reflection but reflections don’t stay for multiple frames like that without completely freezing the dog (as far as I know). Then on the pictures we see the collar having a screw only the shock version has.
Shock: https://www.electro-collares.es/collares-de-adiestramiento/e-collar-educator-et-300 Vibration: https://www.electro-collares.es/collares-de-adiestramiento/e-collar-pg-300 https://www.reedog.es/collares-de-adiestramiento/e-collar-pg-300
I would post the pictures myself but I can’t, if you think I’m making shit up I’ll do it but for now I’ll count on you having seen this evidence.
My point is, if Hassan had shown the collar the dog had during the stream none of this discussion would exist, but by be pictures It totally looks like he tried to lie people pretending he was not using a shocking collar, and if that is the case I’m not trusting a person who lies their public like that. If you insist he didn’t then tell me where I’m wrong. Are the pictures fake or edited? Is the collar model different from the ones shown? Is there a fallacy in my logic? etc. From my point of view no one seemed to acknowledge the evidence pictures back then.
Also, there was a lot of goal-posting when defending Hassan while some said he never shocked the dog, some said they did but it didn’t matter. From the point of view of an outsider It looks like fans defending questionable actions from their fav streamer. You can tell me that the dog doesn’t act like they’re being abused and I’ll believe you, but beyond that the point remains. Did Hassan actually shock the dog then lie about it? Trust and transparency is important for me when it comes to judge a stranger.
Did you watch the full unedited video of the supposed “shock” including before and after?
Did you see the video of Hasan debunking it? Did anything Hasan said in this debunking come across as seemingly shady or obvious bullshit?
Did you see the video compilation of Hasan loving on the dog a bunch?
Do you see any videos that anyone has been able to find where he reaches with his hand toward her or raises his hand where she winces in fear - in a way that a dog who is hit often by its owner does?
Any other video in the 3 years of streaming literally 12+ hours a day where he’s had her in which you can find even A SINGLE ADDITIONAL MOMENT of obvious self-evident proof of abuse? Another moment where the dog cried out in pain or fear?
No one should ask you to ignore anything, but the fact that you’re scrutinizing whether or not the collar is a shock collar that was swapped out secretly or that he had someone make edits to a video of seems like far more of a stretch than maybe just the idea that some assholes hate the guy and can’t otherwise come up with any legitimate criticisms and figure this was an opportunity to jump in on… don’t you think?
TL:DR; Please don’t be angry and don’t go full Trump supporter on me and ignore all of this cause you don’t believe that it’s true. Help me see the truth. If you did see these collar pics then tell me what is it I’m not seeing myself that proves it’s a vibration only collar and not a shock one without prongs? Tell me and I’ll listen. Please, just refute the hard evidence. I WANT to believe you.
If you still need a reason for me to care so much: Autism.
The video of the incident looks like what people says that happened, looks like he reached his hand somewhere (supposedly the remote) and Kaya complains. It could be a coincidence of course, and it doesn’t help that Hasan doesn’t show the collar immediately after (although understandable, not a realistic demand since he has no reasons, it would be great if he did but in the video you linked there didn’t seem to be anyone accusing Hasan from shocking Kaya, looks like that came later). Because of this we can only speculate.
The debunk video doesn’t debunk anything, he acknowledges that people are looking at his supposedly vibration only collar but he doesn’t acknowledge exactly WHY they’re doing it (aside from right grifter assholes wanting to smear him), he doesn’t actually stop and debunk it. The reason people points at the collar is because it looks just like the vibration version without the prongs. He missed an unrealistic opportunity to proof himself when he did not show the collar when it happened (again, understandable), and he lost a very realistic opportunity in this debunk video by not showing it again but in more detail to prove it’s not a shock version. I mean, he doesn’t call it “modded shock into vibration only collar”, he claims that’s just a vibration collar, nothing else. I can’t stress enough how bad it is that he doesn’t show the collar in more detail, if he wanted to end all of this he would’ve just zoomed the fuck into it and shut everyone up, It’s easier to believe that he’s hiding something that believing he is dumb. It is very suspicious. You can always say he was nervous but he’s probably got plenty of time to plan the debunk.
(This is only speculation you can skip this paragraph) In the video he also claims that Kaya hurt herself. That implies she has a vibration collar on but he didn’t use it, so he can’t really go “I used a collar but it only vibrates” since that would mean he lied, and if he lies then how is anyone supposed to trust him? If he did we’d be in a “alt right moving goalposts” like situation.
I don’t need to see the one loving his dog. I mean “He loves Kaya” is sadly not a valid proof that he didn’t shock her unlike actual pictures of the collar, and three things can be true at the same time:
And the best way to judge a situation is by keeping it cool. Getting to know Hasan better is sadly not a good way of thinking things calmly and subjectively the same way falling into the ragebait shit right wing grifters upload would not be ideal.
But I’m not here to judge if Hasan is a dog abuser, I’m here ONLY to judge if he shocked her, for my own sanity, because I’m seeing all this evidence pointing out he did it yet people don’t seem to acknowledge it, similar to how right wing nutjobs won’t understand cheeto man is a pedofile rapist despite all of the evidence, it’s like they can’t see the evidence or maybe they do and they don’t care because “the left only wants to shit on him”. The equivalent in this situation would be Hasan fans not caring Kaya got shocked because “the right only wants to shit on him” (which is true, but that doesn’t justify not calling him out on what he did IF he did it), don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT saying shocking a dog so it doesn’t move is on the same level of a super mega pedophile ring, and justifying the former is much, MUCH better than the latter, I’m just trying to get the point across that Trump’s fans will either justify whatever he does or blindly believe everything he says because they’re out of touch fanatics. Maybe they genuinely believe he didn’t diddle the kiddlers. Maybe they just don’t bother to either look at it or to exist in the same reality we do, probably because they like the guy. I don’t want to believe Hasan fans are on the same realm of ignoring reality and evidence because “I like him he would never”. This whole situation feels the same to me. Look at that debunk video, it proofs my point, Hasan glares over the issue and explains people hating him is making stuff up to hate on him, but he never addresses the actual stuff being said on the videos which only makes me think he can’t and only hopes his fans will blindly defend him, then you go and link it as if it does prove something.
But lets give him the benefit of the doubt, what if he uses a modded shock collar so it only shakes. Why not say that? What if he just has a vibration collar that looks EXACTLY like the shock one? Like a knock off or something. Just show the model online, and again, the collar itself closely.
If you read this far, please. I IMPLORE you to look at the videos of the people comparing the pictures on his streams showing the collar with the images on the collars site I linked, don’t just assume that you won’t get anything from it like a Trump supporter wouldn’t look at the Epstein files. Yes, these people probably don’t give a flying FUCK about Kaya, but that’s beyond the point here, the point is if he shocked her. The pics with the collar he showed make it clear (at least to me) it’s then shock version without prongs. They can’t be fake cause they’re taken from his stream and Hasan doesn’t even claim them to be fake, he just doesn’t claim anything, the only thing preventing you from looking at and comparing them would be blind trust.
All I want you to do is compare the collar Hasan shows with the pictures of the collars on the websites and tell me why that is not a shock version with prongs removed. If you don’t want to do it cause you think Hasan is innocent, think of all the alt right nutjobs that won’t look at the Epstein files because Trump is “innocent” so there’s no point (not saying shocking a dog is as bad as mass child rape, just pointing out how fanaticism clouds people’s judgement). Keep your mind open and I will keep mine, but refute the hard evidence, refute it. Don’t change the subject or say things like “Nu uh he loves Kaya”, that’s not evidence, neither is “I like him he would never”.
I think you’re good, friend. No worries.
Really (and I know one of the videos I shared in another comment covered this but I don’t want to torture you by asking you to comb through my novella of work in this thread to go read / watch) the problem with trying to “prove a negative” is that for every piece of evidence you can try to prove that negative, it’s not hard to then come up with another reason why that evidence isn’t sufficient.
Like when I was a kid, my Dad accidentally burned my hand with a cigarette while handing me a baseball with that same hand he had the 🚬 in. If he said it was an accident though, how would he prove that he did NOT do it on purpose to anyone else who saw my hand and then I told them it was my dad who burned me?
See, the difference is that I can tell others my Dad didn’t do it on purpose… that he never ever did it ever again… that I have no other burns anywhere else on my body, no bruises, and that I know my Dad loves me. Kaya can’t talk. But we can look at her and see she doesn’t wince in fear from Hasan, that she wags her tail every time Hasan looks at her, that Kaya walks close to him in public - even without a leash sometimes I think.
This is why I would suggest to try looking toward other clues to ascertain whether or not this claim has merit - rather than “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs.”
I’ve seen the pictures of the collar, and I watched the video the dog trainer did on the clip shared by another user and then commented in detail on that.
However, after all of that… and - again given how hard it would be to convince anyone on the prong situation other than just “that seems like kinda way too conspiratorial and reaching to be true” - I really just find it way more likely that - given the lack of any other moment where Kaya seems to have been in any sort of stressful situation captured on camera in the MASSIVE backlog of Hasan’s streams where you see her - and not just her laying in her spot, but her on walks with him in public, her with him while podcasting on his other shows with others present - he has never shocked her or ever done ANYTHING to cause her to audibly yelp or whimper or howl or pee herself or anything else even a SINGLE other time.
I think that makes it just a lot easier to believe that the shock did not happen.
I don’t know if that convinces you, but as I said - it is exceedingly hard to prove a negative short of the dog herself just being able to say “yeah he didn’t do that” in the same way I told others the truth that “my dad didn’t mean to burn me with the 🚬 when he handed me the ⚾️.”
Hopefully all that makes sense. 😓
I’m glad you’re taking your time to answer me, and I think I understand. What you are saying is basically that since Kaya doesn’t look like she is abused it makes sense to think Hasan would shock her, and if he did who cares (me I guess) since she’s loved. Honestly I don’t care about Hasan being an abuser at this point, just about IF in that very moment, that very day, he used a shock on Kaya. As you say “prove this collar doesn’t have shock prongs” is not a good argument for demonstrating Kaya is being abused, but it is a good argument to try to determine if “that very moment was shocking for her”. I can tell that 99% of people accusing him of being a dog abuser are not acting in good faith. But why not think about the possibility of both Hasan loving Kaya AND giving her a shock that time being true? Maybe he meant to give her a smaller shock and regretted it when she cried, realizing the collar was set to a stronger setting than he though (my theory). Maybe he got the shock version cause it was on discount and intended on only using the vibration version but accidentally fucked up (not my theory but funny though). Any of these possibilities would need Hasan to admit he did do it, even if by accident.
Maybe that’s what happened and he thinks he can’t be honest about it because it would only feed the smearers, which I’d understand cause they sound like the same kind of people that would hit you back five times as hard if you accidentally hurt them somehow and again, bad faith. If this is what’s happening then people who want subjective truth and that are not easily manipulated by feelings (at least I think I’m not, I try not to) suffer as a consequence. I WANT REALITY AND REALITY IS… IS… (I’m going to say the N word)
spoiler
NUANCED
I just don’t like being lied to, and I’m sure that many other will be put off by Hasan and his fans if the fans defend him without even looking at the evidence. It’s setting a loud ass alarm in my brain. Look at this from the view of an outsider, the proof is there but no matter how much it’s put in front of people faces they refuse to acknowledge it, the goalpost moving is (as lots of bad clickbait youtube videos say) insane, some people say the shock didn’t happen, some that it doesn’t matter etc etc. As someone who has never seen the guy, that looks as bad as people trying to defend roach god’s alarm rat, which I don’t know if it happens but knowing roach’s fans it sure did.
I don’t think its completely impossible to prove a negative, I mean, I can’t prove that Jesus Christ doesn’t exist. But I can point at all other gods that are there and say “what are the chances he’s the real one?” It’s not a definitive answer but I think it’s a darn good one. In this case, we got a guy that looks like they reached to something right when the dog complained, then said the dog did it by themselves, then showed a collar that looks like a manipulated shock version. Then he doesn’t show the collar on greater detail. So… “what are the chances he didn’t do it and he’s trying to cover it for whatever reason?” is a darn good argument for me. And I think he ran himself into a corner by not showing the collar better on multiple occasions like I mentioned. As I said before, fans not agreeing on what happened and what to defend doesn’t help him look good.
So I will ask you again, just once more, to take a look at the pictures, not to convince you that Hasan is an abuser or that he eats children or that all he says is not true etc etc. but rather to know the OBJECTIVE TRUTH of what collar he has. Yes, it sounds conspiratorial to say that the collar he had is a shock one without the prongs, but if the latter year told me something is that there’s no conspiracy theory that’s too crazy or stupid to be true. Well, except flat Earthers, fuck those. And if you somehow for some reason DO change your mind about the subject (at most you’ll probably be like me and think he did shock Kaya on accident) you will have the satisfaction of falling into the trap of believing what’s more convenient but then escaping it! I mean, you answered me without getting angry and seemed pretty sincere like a reasonable person should. My only request is for you to give it a shot. Hell I have an old Joplin document stored that I tweaked and exported to PDF then uploaded into some site I found called file.io just for this moment (I don’t know if it’s s good site, don’t yell at me if it’s the UserBenchmark of sharing files), that way you don’t have to do research for something that hurts to even consider. I’ll leave the link here somewhere, if it becomes inaccessible for any reason make me know. I just demand your attention, not because the algorithm demands it since I don’t get paid for this, but because I want to see it, ✨NUANCE✨.
OK, let’s go deep dive here.
Those products in the images you shared (wow via Limewire too, cool!) are still sold by a company.
Each one of them has a PDF with schematic drawings and shows all the parts that can come on or off of them.
Here’s the one for the official PDFs direct from the maker’s site :
ET-300 :https://www.ecollar.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-09-ET-300-302-manual_outline.pdf
From page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :
PG-300 : https://www.ecollar.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-09-PG-300-302-manual_outline.pdf
From - again - page 5 (6 in the PDF page browser, but titled 5 in the page header) :
Page 4 for the ET mentions nothing about shocking or electricity or anything other than a “tapping sensation” being able to be sent and a “stronger” version that can be used in an emergency.
But let’s imagine this WAS a model with the removable prongs AND their “tap” is just corpo speak for electrical shock and that the prongs were removed…
Now comes even more questions if we want to be honest at what scenarios were possible :
Did Hasan buy this thing himself or did someone who’s a dog expert get one for him as some sort of package deal? Does he have a dog caretaker that puts this thing on Kaya?
Could that someone else have taken the prongs off when they first put it on Kaya? Is it feasible that Hasan did OR DID NOT know about the fact the prongs could come off… and consequently then - if someone else set it up, would he even think to mention it if he wasn’t the one who first took the device out, set it up, and put it on Kaya?
Hasan makes enough money that he has his mom paid to cook for him, I’m sure he has people who clean for him, I’m sure he has people who manage his accounts. I think it’s feasible then to surmise he might have someone who handles getting Kaya groomed, trained, who purchases Kaya’s food for Hasan, etc.
I have a someone close to me who sent their dog away for training for several months when they first got them (by the way I think this is kinda crazy and don’t condone it, just saying this is what they did) and when the dog came back, they had an entire package including training tools and materials, as well as a detailed set of commands given to them by the trainer from their program.
Again, I think there’s enough space here to interpret it either way.
Rich people sometimes delegate their tasks to subordinates, right? I know so many of his critics complain he’s a champagne socialist or whatever… fine… so if he’s a rich guy then, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility that Hasan would then have possibly assigned some task or as a part of some larger dog management related task of “buying the best collar and equipment for Kaya” by someone who would think that “well let’s get him the one that could do shocking, just in case,” but then that person taking those prongs off by default and not telling Hasan… who then could say “it doesn’t do shock” because the handler told him that…
Is any of THAT a fair possibility?
Again, I think this all doesn’t really matter in the bigger picture… because the memes were created to imply that Hasan loves electrocuting the shit out of his poor dog… not that he did it 1 time out of 1000 days that he’s had her in his care and that we need to fully solve the matter of “did he shock her that one time?”
I do NOT think he shocked her… because that seems to be the simpler more rational assumption to make - given all of the other factors mentioned already… and if we’re going to go down the rabbit hole of these details of the model that could possibly be used, well, then you can also speculate on how that model was POTENTIALLY set up for him maybe by someone else and that Hasan reasonably might not think to go into the details of that to then explain the situation. It didn’t have prongs? Maybe it did and someone else removed them.
All of this is speculation - again because it’s very hard to prove a negative here… because given the number of possible variables we simply cannot fully determine the full reality of, and the unending appeals that can be made… so the assumption of charitability toward the situation is just as valid as the assumption of guilt.
And in that scenario, the only logical pursuit is that of looking toward external factors that would best indicate the truth.
Hasan does not seem abusive, he seems to love the dog, there’s no other clear evidence he has abused her (on the contrary - as we both have seen - the many video compilations of the 2 together seem to indicate that Hasan loves Kaya dearly), Hasan knows that giving this accusation attention only seems to make those who accuse him want more evidence to prove he didn’t shock her and those who are his fans seem convinced already.
It was reasonable to ask Hasan to address it once and he did… and he presumed it would end the discourse one the subject… but I believe that it’s like the Obama birth certificate thing at this point - no matter what is shown, they will still say he’s not really an American. “oh he didn’t release the longform one!”
Here’s a video from a professional dog trainer, who claims he didn’t know Hasan prior, analyzing the incident and the device. He concluded that it wasn’t a shock- but a vibration-collar (or used as such). He did not see any misconduct from Hasan. I read somewhere the trainer was massively harassed after the video.
OK, I watched the video of the dog trainer guy.
Given that the dog trainer says he has absolutely zero context other than what he can see and surmise from the video, and later the vibes and comments as well, I would say that he’s probably just trying to be as objective as possible about whether or not the collar is or could have been a shock collar.
He seems to say that she does NOT seem to be being abused but he could’ve used a vibration collar on her there, but also that it’s a bit of a stretch to think that this guy is swapping out parts to make it look like a vibration collar when it’s secretly an electric shock collar.
The trainer guy said although you never like to hear a dog yelp, he doesn’t think Hasan should be kicked off of “switch” 😅 for the dog yelping in surprise from a vibration IF he indeed did vibrate it on her when she got off the bed.
For the context that is missing in this video though - the dog trainer also seemed to perceive that Hasan was mad at Kaya for getting off the bed because the clip he was provided either had that part removed either on purpose to remove that context in a way that Hasan antagonists would do without hesitation - or more simply (also more likely in my opinion) to save time and not make the trainer have to watch more than the minimum needed to see the immediate before and after parts.
The fact is - that clip does not showing that - in reality - Hasan was NOT angry at Kaya - he was angry about his Internet going out over and over again, and that the frustration from the internet dropping issues was just bleeding over in a way that then appeared like he was mad specifically at Kaya for getting off of her “spot.” Also - the idea she tweaked her paw or got a claw caught on one of the fibers as she stepped seems to be really hard to point out, but the trainer not hearing that explanation as to the possible reason why she yelped also seems kind of unfair as well.
Apparently, the other thing that is coincidental is that Hasan says in the controversy-addressing video that he was reaching for a “Zyn tin” at the time - not some “shock collar remote.” <- (at the very end of this clip)
I believe it, because in other non-staged photos captured by 3rd party articles about him, Hasan seems to always have multiple Zyn tins stacked up in that same spot him where he said that’s what he was reaching for.
That seems to align - again - with what was claimed later when Hasan addressed the “controversy.”
On another note though, just want to say I can’t believe 6 months after this smear job people want to fucking do a forensic analysis of this AGAIN just to clear up something that - if you watch any of the clips where he is doing stuff with the dog - the guy honestly looks like he absolutely loves the dog.
I’ve read your posts and the ones of those you had the pleasure to talk to. I appreciate your commitment to the fight against dis-info. I’ll just answer to both of your comments with this comment and hopefully keep it short because I hate this whole topic and how much time this all sucks out of our lifes just because we succumb to culture wars and being the instruments of those inciting them.
First. I think I’m not parasocial. I just watch him (like most of us I guess), because he gives us easy consumable but knowledgeable insights into complicated historical and current geopolitical events. I picked up quite a few topics and read up on them I wasn’t aware of before I started watching him.
Him reporting and exposing himself on political events talking to the base and doing interviews with a lot of progressive politicians shows he is far from the sheltered grifting political arm-chair commenter, haters here and in the highest circles of spin-doctoring want him to paint as.
As you sharply described in your post with the “and yet you participate in society” meme, I’d too rather watch political analyses by someone whose opinions match my personal ideas of a just world, him being a millionaire or not. Bernie Sanders is a millionaire too, I guess, but I love listening to him as well. And opposed to consumers of content from real grifters, I don’t think I’ll ever be a millionaire.
Heck, Hasan interviewed two billionaires with political ambitions recently who had surprisingly progressive views and plans. Yes nobody should be a billionaire but if they at least really want to do good with their money, they can live. See MacKenzie Scott. And those claiming Hasans trip to Cuba was just egocentric self-promotion, has no idea how much he burns for recitifying the injustice Cubans are exposed to by the US.
OMG. Now it has become a wall of text again and I haven’t even addressed any points of your observations on the video. I agree with you in what you wrote. Yes the dreaded internet problems and him being jet-lagged wouldn’t justify him mishandling his dog. But as the trainer pointed out, he wasn’t doing this at all even when he slightly yelled at her. Yes the clips he reacted to were very condensed and didn’t show any of the million of interactions he had with his dog clearly showing he’s a reponsible handler.
But it all doesn’t matter anyway, as we all know this is all part of a big political assassination campaign and the critics bringing this up care as much about Kaya as they care about the animals they have on their plates (as Hasan doesn’t either, btw).
This is the first actually mature and civil (but oppositional) reply to any of my comments here that wasn’t just some obvious fan of one of the antagonistic streamers who constantly are trying to sic their supporters on the guy.
Thank you.
I will watch the video and reply back here (or edit) after watching. I still remain unconvinced he’s abusive of her, but the “using a vibration collar” part being used and a professional pointing it out does give more weight to that specific aspect of the accusation.
Also nice cherry pick. Gee, I wonder why you didn’t go with something more recent…
😄 yeah Hasan seems really doomed now from his joking heartbreak resulting from Mamdani needing to distance himself from a streamer so non-terminally online people don’t freak out at the old “America Deserved 9-11” meme clip.
Meanwhile, again I ask you - any thoughts on Mr. Barelli’s use of the n-word, and his really problematic 29yr:16yr olds sex comment I keep trying to get a reply on?
Oops, guess we know why you chose something from a year ago instead of this…
All right, buddy you’re a huge waste of time. 😄
Have a good one.
You know - I genuinely hope things can be sorted out up Mr. Bottachelli and his kid - seems like there’s some rough stuff going on there, but I don’t know the latest.
Maybe you or someone else from 4chan could fill us all in on what’s up with all that. Though it’s probably been a year or so since I read anything about any of that, so make sure to call me out I guess if I’m cherry-picking here on that as well.
Man, you guys are obsessed with Destiny. It’s actually unhinged.
Lmaooooo your proof that Hasan didn’t shock his dog is a Hasan video??
That plus the “sex pest” line shows just how deep you are in Hasan’s ass (you obviously had no idea that the whole Destiny case is getting absolutely ripped apart in court). Truly cringe.
So you’re a Destiny fan - got it. 🤣
Also I did post this and this as well to attempt to provide support for the idea the guy doesn’t abuse his dog - and those first 2 videos are not from him (yeah the third is, but it contains a compilation of the dude being sweet to his dog over the years), but I’m sure you’ll discredit those first 2 videos somehow, too.
Look… it’s all right.
Destiny did an awesome takedown of JonTron (who I also once liked in the OG Game Grumps days) being racist a long time ago and he has teamed up with his own former fan Vaush against some actual fascists so I don’t absolutely hate the guy… but seeing you come to his defense when I bring up any of the accusations that have been made against the dude let me know where you stand.
Destiny has dog shit opinions in a lot of cases, but is also someone I can admit to liking having as an ally against the worst people on the internet.
However, Jesus Christ, does Destiny let his personal vendettas completely guide his political compass.
Also, there’s stuff like :
I mean - those 2 are a big yikes for me personally and are the main reason I don’t really follow him.
Now that’s what I’d expect from a Hasan fan, defending accusations of shocking his dog by deflecting to rant about Destiny.
And you’re exactly what I’d expect from a current-era Destiny fan :
Ignoring every single one of the counter-arguments made - even when provided self-evident video supports the claim in order to sidestep the original discussion.
I gave you 2 videos countering the dog shock meme shit - both of non-Hasan YouTubers with sizeable audiences and some measure of credibility, and you ignored them.
Then you only glom onto the last part of my reply where I point out a few of the notable problems of streamer Destiny (who I’m guessing you’re a fan of - given the specific use of “up his ass” you’re perhaps unwittingly regurgitating and how you knew what “sex pest” referred to)… but again - at the same time - you ignore the videos provided that show Destiny saying the N-word and Destiny saying clearly on video that he is ok with 29 year olds having sex with 16 year olds as long as they’ve gone through puberty.
You want to pretend that I’m “deflecting” so it allows you to avoid both my rebuttal as well as criticisms related to the streamer you seem most likely to be a fan of combined into a single reply.
Lmaooo Taylor Lorentz is credible! My sides!
Care to share something more substantive than giggles to discredit a published writer for the Washington Post, NYT, The Daily Beast, or Business Insider?
Or would that somehow count as me deflecting again?
Yeah, let me link you to 40 minutes of glaze content. That’s how we provide evidence for things, right?
I mean, unless you’ve got something better - it’s that or self-smug laughing in comment form. Again, those two videos are not “glazing” Hasan from what I can tell.
I get it you don’t like Taylor for some reason but what about the Leeja Miller video?
You got a better way to convince anybody of anything other than self-righteous performative lols?
I saw him kick his dog with steel toe boots
Do you have a source for this?
Honestly, it’s so easy to attach a link to anything you comment - so the only reason not to is if you lack the evidence to back up a claim.
It was on the news
Damnit, I forgot what sub-re… I mean… lemmy community I was in.
😉 💋 🍆 💦
No you didn’t
I literally did
Hey, nice copy-pasta. I don’t care for your argument of authority. That dog was not having a good time staying in place for hours. In Europe we might care about animal welfare a bit more, than y’all do.
lol, please you gotta tell us all - which one are you a fan of?
Ethan, Destiny, Asmongold, or some other half-wit grifter?
Who are you a fan of?
The Majority Report’s probably one of my favorites, but honestly I try to keep an eye out on a lot of different sources so the chances of me being too deeply attached to any given streamer to the point I begin to deny reality is lessened. I watch Vaush every now and then, Kyle Kulinski, The Serfs, More Perfect Union, Second Thought, the Coolzone Media people like my friend I’ve been arguing with here, and probably a few others I used to watch more, but stopped due to a noticeable shift in the way they started covering topics - like TYT for example.
Booooooo
What’s wrong with Emma and Sam? Other than how much Sam scares that poor Arthur voice actor Steven Crowder?
Racist
I’m an anti-capitalist Anarchist, the other group you people hate ;-)
Suuuuure…
Buddy, I’m not a fan of left-infighting, so - assuming you aren’t actually a shit-stirring disingenuous liar, I don’t hate you.
I really only mostly don’t like the red hat types and the folks who pretend to be left-leaning in order to sow chaos among the ranks who might otherwise band together.
Like hasan
How many times has Hasan villified Anarchists? That unites leftists, right? I don’t advocate against him in US politics. Internationally he’s mostly a piece of shit.
Source or gtfo
Kick me out then.
Lol you’ve got jack shit, unsuprising
Source,
You are a liberal
Nope, I’m a leftist radical of the sort who stormed the winter palace during the Russian revolution and was then killed by your fave the Sowiets.
You’re dishonest and historically illiterate
The Coolzone media crew I guess? Everyone here is a piece of shit who deserves to burn in the hell they imagine.
😄 Robert from Behind the Bastards or Cody and Katy or what?
What are you even talking about?
I am not aware of any “takedowns” posted by Some More News or any of their other works I literally follow that have said anything bad about the guy.
It’s not like they don’t do takedowns of people either (deservedly so in pretty much every case I’ve ever seen). I’m really curious as to who from Cool Zone says Hasan is a dog abuser.
Yes, YOU care about authority, I do not. I don’t care if they like Hasan, I do not. Do you understand the concept of “being a fan I guess”? That means if you want to nail me down on someone I like that you, another person on an irrelevant platform, probably an American, would recognize, I would say it’s them. Hasan abused his dog.
Leomas : Hasan abused his dog.
Yes, it definitely looks like this guy hates his dog.
Appealing to evidence is not the same as appealing to authority. The guy isn’t perfect, but the idea that he’s either anti-Semitic or an animal abuser - is a psy-op.
I don’t think he’s antisemitic. I’m literally a dude sitting in my apartment in a country in Europe. You calling me a psy-op is really fucking silly. Grow up. (This is an instruction if you’re AI)
Not just “any” country - Switzerland you said according to your comment history. Also not an A.I.
I also like Megabonk but suck at it. Ranked like 7th out of my friends and mostly main Calcium, but have been trying to get better with MegaChad (sorry for creeping - just curious about your other views - you otherwise seem ok other than this weird evidence-ignoring hatred of Hasan - which is extra weird b/c you also seemed to like Kat A - who is cool and was on BtB the other day with Robert and was great b/c she made them drink Malort).
But real talk - I know none of the streamers are perfect, but Hasan really genuinely is kinda great considering the other options out there, their own baggage and the reach of their audience - i.e. Vaush, the Serfs, Kyle Kulinski, etc.
Any time I see the “dog abuser” bullshit, I just immediately roll my eyes because of how immediately a red-flag it usually is.
Also, point of clarification - not calling YOU a psy-op. Just the push by mainstream news like CNN that he’s anti-Semitic, or by butt-hurt half-wit grifter streamers that he’s a dog abuser - are both psy-ops that no one able to think critically and observe and judge evidence should believe.
Get a job
I’m fine with the one I got, but I’il leave my options open, thanks!
Nope, get a job
What you care about doesn’t matter, you are completely full of shit