Lol I love this, I love to watch people flail like this.

“Birth rates are going down! Do your research!”

“Well I did, and they aren’t. Here’s the facts.”

“Nu-uh!”

Dude, take the L and sit down. You said to do the research, and I did. You’re wrong. Let’s just keep moving the goalpost every time you’re wrong so that you feel justified in your stance. Sure, bud. Well, sure, I can do that too: if you look at the past 3,000 years, the birthrate is actually trending up like crazy. Let’s not look at other factors like infant mortality, life expectancy, or anything, that would be silly. Lol, you are so absurd. It sounds like you need to do some more research, but I know that’s too much to ask from you.

Oh, so nuance and context isn’t a thing?

I mean if we want to argue in bad faith, I got a pretty light day.

But let me do your research for you.

In 2024, the U.S. saw a 1% increase in births, totaling approximately 3.6 million.

South Korea, known for having one of the world’s lowest fertility rates, experienced its first increase in births in nearly a decade in 2024. The number of births rose by 8,300 compared to the previous year, with the fertility rate increasing from 0.72 to 0.75.

Oh no, facts, your only weakness.

Ahh the old “do you research” line.

Yeah I did, and the facts don’t support your point. Maybe do some actual research instead of typing what you want to see in Google and cherry picking, but I know that’s too much to ask from you.

Damn, I didn’t know Canada was the whole world. My bad.

Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.

You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9

I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.

You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.

You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.

Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.

There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.

Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.

Ok

Your point is to ignore that and blame the voters.

Can you like, just not read? I said people should be represented.

Let’s concede your point. Great. Voters are at fault and the party has no responsibility to represent them

I never once said this. This is just you propping up this argument to avoid addressing any points I made. I said people who didn’t vote did not take their opportunity to prevent this. That’s just reality and facts my guy. If those upset you, I dunno what to say, you can try alternative facts, I hear republicans love those.

Do you suppose the electorate is going to change? Do you suppose republicans are gonna come around?

I dunno, but what I do know is you’re not capable of having a conversation about those things. Why would I? You would just tell me how I feel and then insult me about it lol. You’re not interested in a convo, you just want to mindlessly yell at someone without having to consider a new viewpoint at all. Just insult someone who disagrees, you sound like a republican for sure. And unable to address the actual topic, seems very republican too. Making up stuff I didn’t say and using that in your argument, that seems very republican in nature. You must love where we’re at huh? Everyone is acting like you.

Listen, you’re too emotional and caught up in yourself to have an actual conversation. You can’t help but make wild assumptions, put words in my mouth, and run away with concepts I don’t even agree with. You are part of the problem with the system. You ignore reality and just yell how you feel a lot, yell about how the ideal world should be, without being grounded in reality at all or even being willing to discuss it. You look at the world like a child, and argue like one too. Unable to address actual points, so you just make up stuff and rant about it. You don’t need me for that; you seem more than capable of arguing with yourself.

This is still deflecting from the issue I’m talking about. Everyone keeps bringing up what the DNC should have done differently, and you can make a long list of those things, but that is not my point.

My point is, people had a choice, regardless of how they felt about the choices, they could choose Trump or Harris. A large portion of people didn’t pick either one. Those people accepted that they were ok with either choice, because if they weren’t, they would have prevented the outcome they thought was worse. That is my point. People could have impacted the outcome and chose not to. If they don’t like how things are going now, good. They need to remember this next time and realize that voting for the least shitty of the two will at least prevent the worst case scenario. Taking a stance and not voting to send a message doesn’t really do shit when the guy you let in office wants to remove term limits and get rid of checks and balances while ignoring the constitution. But hey, I guess at least they feel good about not voting for anything remotely bad as the world burns.

Why do I care? Because people who did nothing are trying to deflect the blame. People who didn’t vote are just as responsible for the situation we’re in and they need to understand that. They need to understand that not voting, especially due to a single issue, can have a very negative outcome.

This isn’t about you feeling represented, even though you should. That’s the problem, people keep going back to that. They are two separate issues. Not being represented in the way you want doesn’t remove your ability to vote for the best choice available.

You can keep insulting me, assuming what I want, and making wild accusations about my political stance. It doesn’t change the point and it makes you look like an immature, overly emotional person who can’t have a reasonable conversation. Which seems to be the case.

I’ve never told you to shut up.

I’ve never talked about my political opinions, of anything I’ve eluded to not being happy with the situation.

You’re just making up things and throwing them at the wall because you don’t like my opinion. But instead of engaging with the opinion and discussing it you’d rather play the victim while throwing insults.

I say people can still vote and you respond with “easy for you to say.” Yes, it is. Saying facts are easy. Try it. People could vote. They weren’t locked in their homes. They had the ability to vote. How is this even a debate?

If you want to have an actual conversation we can. If you just want to talk about me and make wild assumptions, there’s no room for a convo.

So just discredit my point of view by labeling me as the enemy. Sounds like you’re in a cult sir.

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They probably won’t. But that isn’t even the point, it’s the deflection. People had an option to vote. They didn’t. They are complicit.

I never rejected anything, maybe try reading again and this time not just seeing what you want. And what was successful before doesn’t mean it will be successful today. People just don’t understand context or nuance. That’s you dog.

Yes, they should listen, but it’s two separate things. Regardless what the DNC does, each person has a choice, a chance cast a choice.

People had a choice, they could have impacted the outcome and choose not to. Those people, by not doing anything, were accepting that the worser outcome could happen, and they were ok with that. If they weren’t, they would have taken action, within their power, to prevent it.

Welcome to .ml, you’ll get the jokes now.

Yes they were significant enough to listen to, but at some point people need to take accountability. You can only control what you do, not others.

If the party was unwilling to change, they still had a choice to make. They made that choice. They had the ability to impact the outcome and they didn’t.

There is more than one issue to care about in the world. Not voting for one side because of a single issue, when the other side has dozens of issues, is accepting that you are ok with either outcome. So those who choose not to vote told the world that they didn’t care either way, because they had a chance to impact the outcome and didn’t.

You said “The party would rather have trump than abandon their only issue.” The reality is, people would rather have Trump than vote against a single issue, and that’s what happened. And that single issue is still an issue! It did nothing.