NoneOfUrBusiness

Sigh fucking BlueMAGA. When Trump destroys all US democracy, don’t say you weren’t warned.

Leftists’ weakness in modern America is a matter of numbers and organization; it’s a situational weakness. In contrast, liberals’ weakness to fascism is a categorical weakness. No matter what you do, liberals are categorically incapable of beating fascism. Therefore pushing for unity behind liberals is a fool’s errand, as this election has shown.

If anything, leftists are busier driving the horizontal hostility that poisons worker solidarity and benefits fascists.

Horizonal hostility between who and who? Hatred of the Democratic elites is nothing but horizontal I’ll tell you that.

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Should I put on party music or wait?

Being ineffectual is helping the fascists; that’s the whole goddamn problem here. When you’re fighting fascists the battlefield isn’t the polls; it’s the hearts and minds of disillusioned workers, and liberals are too weak to win that battle against fascism no matter how much you try to unite behind them.

They’re not pro-Trump, but the base of inequality, arrogance and hate necessary for fascism to take hold was co-produced by the Democrats. You support that and you’re pro-fascism whether you like it or not.

Like it or not, in the US the liberals were the primary opposition to fascists.

And they were ineffectual opposition that did more to help fascism than hurt it.

Another item on the (very small) list of good things Trump did.

I guess you’ll have to wait for the recession to see that you very much do.

you’re advocating for cheap abusable labor?

Nope. What I want to happen is for the government to make all those illegal workers legal. You’ll need migrants anyway, so might as well use the ones already there and just give them, you know, human rights and all that.

Yes, but if you deport those you only have legal migrants, who are limited by the law and also already in the US for other work and won’t do your hard backbreaking labor for you since they’re mostly skilled workers.

You do realize the number of migrant workers available is limited by law right? There are literally quotas for this shit. The process is also pretty ridiculous so they’re not gonna import legal migrants to work as farmers. They’ll either let you starve (something something supply and demand) or employ child workers like Florida is already trying to do.

The shit? How does deporting them help them get a visa?

Trump already outlasted the lettuce, unfortunately.

Not necessarily. The South impoverished itself for generations, but how were industry leaders doing? Capitalists don’t care about GDP, only their bank accounts.

If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

-Lyndon B. Johnson. It’s a necessary expense to keep up the ruse, because the operating principle of fascism is to take the working class’s frustration at capital and redirect it at an other. This is really good cover for abusing the working class, but when you tell a guy “The Jews are the cause of all your problems” and then do nothing to hurt/remove the Jews (which, according to you, should solve all their problems) they’ll either suspect something is up or—more likely—someone who’s willing to go after the Jews will gain popular support and depose you.

Then… how about you help them not be cheap and abusable? How does a path to citizenship, or at least legal residency (so they can have non-exploitative jobs), sound like? Getting rid of the cheap and abusable workforce with nobody else to replace them isn’t exactly any better.

Hmm… I see. Yeah that makes sense.

Nobody is saying it is. It’s that group of swing voters that have immediately changed from liking Trump to rejecting Elon and Trump.

I’m trying to say that rather than that being the case Democrats were just more successful in their campaign and therefore managed to push the result in their favor. As you said Wisconsin is a blue-leaning swing state, so Democrats winning a few offices doesn’t indicate much in terms of nationwide voter sentiment. If you correct for Trump outperforming other conservatives in your calculations this is the likely result.

Do you mean that only one didn’t go the way you’d hoped it would? Either way I’m not saying these wins aren’t important, but rather that they’re not unexpected. It doesn’t give us any new information (such as “Conservatives are starting to sour on Trump’s agenda”), but is rather well within the realm of expectations in the same way tossing a coin and getting heads once doesn’t tell you much about the coin.