What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

• Notes for the 30th anniversary of the Tiannment incident.
• It wasn’t a massacre of peaceful students, but a skirmish between PLA soldiers and armed detachments from the pro-capitalist / free market reform movement. The protest movement, as evidenced by their own accounts, called for market liberalisation, and free market reforms, rallying around a replica of the statue of liberty. After the movement had been building in the square for seven weeks, unarmed soldiers were sent in to disperse the protesters, after which many soldiers were beaten to death, torched, and lynched. The New York Times death count went from 2600, to many thousands, to 8000, to tens of thousands. In reality only around ~200 (including soldiers) were killed or trampled, in smaller clashes outside the square. The on-scene New York Times reporter disavowed the article, especially about machine-gunning of protesters. A wikileaks cable from a US ambassador to the US state department, confirmed that no killings or machine-gunnings took place in the square.
• Latin American diplomat eyewitness account of June 3-4 events on Tiananmen Square wikileaks (PDF)
• There was a Spanish television crew that covered the entire Tiananmen Square incident as it unfolded. Their footage showed that there was no massacre. A few things worthy of pointing out - Liu Xiaobo and Hou Dejian, both student leaders of the Tiananmen protests, have been recorded as saying that they never saw anyone killed at the protests.
• The protest movement followed the line of “color revolutions”, in which the US tried to destabilize and create counter-revolutions in eastern Europe and Latin America after the fall of the USSR. The strategy was to stir division within and without, by inundating the media with news of massacres of “peaceful”, pro-capitalist / market reformers.
• The defeat of a counter revolution in China.
• Interviews from some of the student leaders.
• An account from a resident.
• Tiananmen Square “Massacre”, A Propaganda Hoax.
• The truth about the Tiananmen square protests

No probs!

Definitely, when the traveling time alone is anywhere from a week to a month or more, with lots of required stops, then it makes sense to spend a long time in a place.

Looks like it took Bertrand Russell 6 weeks to get from England to Shanghai in 1920.

It’s very similar to the “oh you have time to read books and educate yourself, you must be rich!” discourse. It’s very infantalizing.

Scroll down, addressed this three times in this thread already.

Who told you that the people of China are propagandized, especially to hate other countries and peoples as much as the US does?

There is a difference between a corporation manipulating their own service and a government controlling the entire internet for the nation.

There really isn’t a fundamental difference here. US capitalists run the country, control its media, and stand above it’s political system. It’s military/defense apparatus, and police function as their hired goons.

Twitter and quora are not sources lol. They’re platforms ppl use, and their posts should be measured by their merits, not where it’s posted.

I need to check a lot of those links and archive them, because predictably a lot of the ones posted to US run websites like twitter get removed for going against the US-zenz narrative.

Also does the fact that these ppl use twitter or quora automatically mean they’re misinforming people?

I think Twain here is referring to travel less as tourism, ie short vacations, but more about spending time living in different countries and getting to know people and their culture, making friends, etc.

No nation should allow the US surveillance arms like Facebook, twitter, instagram, youtube and reddit to operate within their borders. These are US controlled entities that serve to push pro-US foreign policy, and hoover up all global communications.

For example, the most popular social media platform in India, is facebook. The US controls the main communication platform of a country with a population much larger than its own.

Countries should realize what a dangerous threat it is to have US companies control your social media.

Facebook turned over chat messages between mother and daughter now charged over abortion.

This woman is serving two years in prison. But yeah, tell us how the US isn’t “Orwellian”.

More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources.

I love those episodes.

If you have bad credit in the US, it prevents you from getting housing, or even renting an apartment.

As people posted to you several times, china’s credit score exists to keep tabs on companies, and prevent excesses and corruption. Basic regulatory things that the US used to do in a few decades ago, but is now considered “authoritarian”.

Your first link is a few paragraphs with no sources whatsoever.

The second one sources Human Rights Watch, who got bodied even on reddit the last time they tried to spread this line. They pretty much source only from Zenz (a far-right anti-semitic christian evangelical who thinks birth conrtrol is genocide).

The third link has Zenz again as its main source.

Its so exhausting to have to debunk the same recycled sources over and over, so here’s a megathread:

https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs

Nice, I’m gonna read that soon. I do know that Adam Smith explicitly agreed with the labor theory of value, which all the capitalist economics schools reject despite venerating him.

China, but also the PRC hasn’t been in a war in like 50+ years. Meanwhile the US killed a million innocent people in Iraq, and goes after whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden, and Manning for speaking out about its war crimes. And the Obama administration prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers, and had a zero tolerance policy towards them.

The credit score in China is to keep tabs on businesses to prevent corruption and excesses, just basic things the US used to do back in the 1950s, but would now be considered “authoritarian”.

The credit scores in the US are used to prevent regular people from getting housing.

I maintain this, but other comrades like @davel and @yogthos keep better megathreads about this topic.

https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#whats-going-on-with-the-uyghurs