I can see that, each time I read your comment it makes more and more sense

Ohhh that was it, I knew I know him from some tv show, even went to the imdb and havent seen it, it was Eureka! Thanks!

while Ramsey in “Crimson Tide” is merely hawkish and reckless.

I have to disagree, Ramsey (Gene Hackman) in “Crimson Tide” gives during all the confrontation scenes a very good arguments about why they have to launch, for me as good as Denzel Washington character ones. He is hawkish and violent, but even at the end he says, let’s sit down and see who is right. He was acting on good conscience even if his position was brutal and could cause a World War. That’s why his character is so good, because his motivations were right.

Here the Admiral is never right, he is just looking for revenge, even if he denies it, until is drugged. That’s why the episode pales in comparison, because there is someone who is right and someone who is not. Yeah, we still maybe have to see that mysterious cloacking ship again, and then maybe someone, Kirk, can feel some remorse, but I don’t think so. He did the right thing, everybody knows

I enter the discussion post after watching the episode, did a Ctrl+F to Crimson Tide and I see I’m not the only one thinking about it.

As soon in the episode as the Admiral says, “Here there is only one voice, mine” or something like that I knew they were ripping off the plot of Crimson Tide, and I was not wrong.

Have an upvote, I agree in all your points, no need for me to repeat it

Una’s fondness for rules is why the crew nicknamed her “Where Fun Goes to Die” (SNW: “Spock Amok”).

Yeah, didn’t remember that, and now she is all for breaking rules.

Uhura interrogation scene was bad. Also when they say, oh, here are your papers, you can leave… As someone else mentioned, there is no point of having the parts on the Enterprise in B/W, that part was ok, but why La’an as chief security have not checked the transporter logs. She thought something has been tampered on the transport, check the logs!

The away team story was not bad, the homage to Casablanca was bad, with the klingons singing in the bar… the rest was ok, they dont want to interfere, but they did somehow.

Edit: forgot to say that the theme of the episode os follow the orders/rules or not. In both cases they choose to not follow them, and the takeaway you have from that is dangerous, because im both cases they have a good outcome

Only thing I enjoyed of the episode is that Ortega and Scotty didn’t have any romantic involvement, and at the end it’s only a friendship thing.

Jokes were not funny, and when the peace negotiations are going down the tube, then a random thing happens and all is good and everybody are friends. Make Pike fail the peace treaty, he is stoned, sober him up and somehow make him fix it. Will be a better thing that a explosion is now a peace sign or whatever.

(Intro: I was in the db0 instance that now is defederated from the startrek.website, so I wasn’t seeing any message on this thread, I was confused until I heard the news, I even posted a message that never arrives, I just copy & paste here)

About the episode, I have the feeling I have seen it already, the ghost ship, the mind tricks, no explanation, nothing new, too predictable.

It feels like an excuse to evolve the relation between some characters, but we are not seeing that evolution on this episode, but I’m guessing the things that happened here are gonna be relevant later.

Not bad, not good.