There are a bunch of non bloated alternatives with whether wayland compositors and also X11 window managers, and there’s also kde/plasma, xfce and mate if still wanting full DE, plus a hybrid lxde-gtk3/lxqt (lxqt supports both X11 and wayland I believe).

If going the non bloated ways, distributions can offer some modifications on the system configurations files, so that users can start with working software out of the box, and can even offer installation meta packages for a complete set of i3/sway packages to have an equivalent DE experience. What would be left to users is custom settings to get more appealing aesthetics depending on the user, if not i3/sway, then openbox/labwc, and so on. For a DE experience including into the meta package a toolbar like yambar (works on X11 and wayland), dunst/mako, udiskie, redshift/wlsunset and so on. The missing part on non bloated alternatives is easy of configuring through buttons and widgets, and even so lxqt made an easy of configure software component for openbox, and there might be something similar for labwc.

So non systemd distributions are far from dying because of gnome’s hostility.

And if I recall correctly, several gnome users (not its huge base of course) are moving away from gnome any ways unhappy with its plugin support, given gnome is known to leave plugins unsupported on its releases and not caring about them.

Of course using another distro you want to emulate is much better.

But as it’s debian based, I’m wondering if a better approach would be to use repos from another close enough distro, like derivative distros which decide to build the stuff for the distro as much as possible (that maybe won’t prevent the need of flatpak and the like).

Another approach would be using a package manager that can work on top of any distro, like Guix, at least for FLOSS software.

I use artix, so if something is not in the official artix repos pacman also look on arch repos, then it looks my personal repos (I build some personal packages, but I also use aurutils, so there are packages on one of my personal repos that are really aur packages not mine). As I prefer to package the stuff I can’t find anywhere I haven’t found the need for something like Guix, but it might come handful if in order to include some software which depends on software way old for artix or something similar to that. Just a reminder that Guix and the like will work fine as package mechanism on top of any distro given their approach to keep the software out of the common unix path hierarchy.

ohh, now it makes sense. I was referring rather to:

I try to move away from centralised aggregation like Reddit.

believing you subscribe to reddit or similar link aggregators to keep up to date with certain topics (subreddits, communities on lemmy), and usually by subscribing to the rss/atom feeds from which people share URLs most of the time and which you are interested on, then you mostly can discard such link aggregators. Lemmy offers rss feeds in case you want to follow up a community without subscribing to any lemmy instance, and I believe reddit hadn’t killed it’s similar rss feeds per subreddit.

However if it’s just for one interesting post you find, then rss/atom feeds don’t provide what you want. However, if you like a post from a rss/atom feed, most rss/atom readers allow you to include the link into favorites, so that they are available for you whenever wanting to come back to such post or to actually get deeper into it. Favorites would have a somehow similar functionality to pocket, but I agree it’s not the same, since the sources have to come from a feed, as opposed to any generic URL, however if your URLs sources come from recurrent blogs or sites, and they offer rss/atom feeds, then this would work. I’m kind of following this approach to have my rss/atom personal link aggregator, :)

rss/atom feeds?

The battle is still there, and the GrapheneOS guy always bark at microG, like he really hates the whole concept of microG. What I have gotten from the discussion is that GrapheneOS is more secure, but although it sandboxes GPS denying some permissions, and some of those might be needed to be given away for some services any ways, it doesn’t try to fake anything, which microG does. In that sense my preference has been microG, and I don’t regret it.

That said, what you mentioned is true, both still access google app store, and still have to give some minimal information to google.

There’s a 3rd option the OP didn’t mentioned. If they are mainly interested in app store, and not the google services in general, there are a couple of somehow recognized 3rd party app store mirrors, which keep the same original signatures of the packages hosted by google app store, and they offer packages from other sources not provided by the google app store, in case interested on those packages: apkmirror and apkpure. From the two apkpure still allows to install and upgrade packages through FLOSS 3rd party apps like apkupdater, so that might be an option. For some months apkpure packages weren’t able to be installed through apkupdater, but it seems that got corrected already.

But in general, the OP would benefit from always looking for FLOSS packages on the F-Droid repo, then other non official F-Droid repos which can be used through the F-Droid app, then see if they can be installed from their web site and updated without intevention of any installer, and then if there’s no option but using proprietary software maybe looking for them on the apkpure/apkmirror sites or on apkpure through apkupdater or similar, and then aurora store, or if using grapheneOS finally google play if anything else fails, :)

I do understand the need for proprietary software, like bank OTP apps. It’s sad banks, governments, medical services and so on never look for FLOSS software, they always require users to get proprietary software. I don’t live in the EU, but I hope current hate/banning tendency ends up doing user a favor by starting to require banks, and the like to start using FLOSS apks, though doesn’t really helps me, I hope in the end it helps people in the EU.

Jami on desktop, not on phones yet:

https://jami.net/eleutheria

Available only for desktop users for now, the new Push-to-talk feature offers a new effortless way to communicate: simply press a button for hands-free, instant, and convenient audio messaging. It’s like in the olden days of gaming when gamers would key bind the Push to talk feature to be able to talk when necessary.

So jami all the way, 🙂

Monero?

Well, I wouldn’t like AI in any communication client of mine. Perhaps if it’s local to my box I would like that, but this solution really seems cloud based, meaning one could have an AI crawling over one’s data, to do whatever it wants with it. And local solutions usually are not as “good” as the cloud ones for whatever reason (hardware availability, data, and so on):

for users on less powerful hardware, the development team has integrated NVIDIA’s confidential computing to keep any remote processing secure. Rest assured, those who prefer to skip AI services can continue using Thunderbird without these extras.

There’s still tuta, or even /e/ (now a days murena), which still seem safer privacy wise than this new thunderbird option.

I’m really hoping for a “librewolf” kind of fork oriented to privacy, and betterbird doesn’t offer anything like that. The phoenix project has a safer user config for both firefox and thunderbird, but that doesn’t get rid of components (well perhaps it could possibly turn them off, though to make sure they better get ripped at build time).

Does any one know if this new TB service would offer caldav and carddav services as well? I didn’t see anything on stalwart advertisement.

Is there any overlap between already FLOSS applications, whether for mobile (F-Droid for example) or desktop/laptop (GNU+linux for example) and this catalog? Known to date FLOSS applications coming from everywhere, Jami sources for example comes from France and the application is peer-to-peer, XMMP standard protocol specification is governed by the IETF XMPP working group having members from different countries and servers/clients open sources from different people and servers actually all over the world or self hosted… In other words, I don’t know if having an European catalog is what really matters.

In my mind, no matter where you live, if you want your freedom[s] respected, you should prefer free/libre software, or at least open source, though in the later case it can be tweaked in ways ignored by you which might be dangerous or might not. If wanting privacy related applications, then the prior is a must but on top of that e2ee encryption is required, as minimal as possible personal information leakage, and hopefully using distributed applications mainly peer-to-peer though at least decentralized ones (hopefully self-hosting), and also security wise being externally audited if possible. I understand the EU requires the data to be stored and kept only within the EU, but that doesn’t guarantees privacy any ways, and we should learn that the best is not to trust our information to anyone, and better use peer-to-peer whenever possible or zero trust mechanisms with everything encrypted (protecting the user, not the spying mechanisms so called zero-trust, like falcon-sensor).

So I’m a bit confused by people trusting a state or supra-state backed catalogs, when FLOSS should be what conscious users should be looking for. Interoperability is what really resonates to me, but open standards (open document standard comes to mind for example) if used or for example a simple particular version of markdown (the pandoc one for example) and so on, should guarantee that…

Actually, FLOSS is more precise, given the “L” coming from “libre” in castilian (spanish now a days) referring explicitly to freedom. But it so happen open source != free/libre software, therefore open source usually disregard the philosophic aspect of freedom, which might turn against the users interest, which is what GNU guys were trying to prevent all along, because focusing in the practical aspects, without any concern on the principals behind, actually do have implications on the software itself and its usage.

Yeah, Librewolf by default doesn’t use DoT neither DoH, and so your IP is still exposed, but Librewolf had made it fairly easy to change through preferences or the librewolf overrides, whatever more convenient, as stated on its DoH enabling documentation.

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Thanks !

Librewolf is a privacy oriented fork of Firefox, it grabs some setting from arkenfox. Betterbird is not a privacy oriented fork of Thunderbird as far as I remember. When I tried it the only thing I was attracted to was its tray support, but as I use non DE compositors, so far wayfire, labwc and sway (tabbed layout), and as there’s currently a Firefox bug, I didn’t see any reason to keep trying it, and now on sway with tabbed layout I see no reason for a tray any ways…

Well there’s already a browser on the works, verso, and it also attempts to make servo “embeddable”:

We aim to explore embedding solutions for Servo

Hopefully both project reach 1.0 sooner rather than later. Meanwhile there’s Librewolf at least, and there was Mull, but instead currently there’s IronFox and also FrozenFennec on the works as well, all forks of Firefox oriented to privacy.

see this other post: https://lemmy.ml/post/26518180/16957376

Hint, look at the date this gets pushed, :)

do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?

I don’t agree with what is written in that blog BTW, 1st I like that there’s a repo that at least tries as best as it can to protect the free software aspect of the apps, which many disregard but are pretty important to me, that’s one of the main values from f-droid for me. Proprietary binary components can include many invasive “features” one is not aware of. As requirement the source code and building from it is required. If you build from source, removing proprietary dependencies for example you’ll get a different binary, and that requires a new signature on the final package. F-droid has improved a lot on reproducible builds. And I’ve read in several places magnifying the issue of apks from official f-droid being moths later compared to original developer release, my own experience is different, and when I’ve written, I immediately get a reaction from someone which doesn’t agree with me (I never reply back). I’ve read about the single entity signature, but that alone should not be an issue, otherwise we would be distrusting packages from debian, arch, and so on, which use a set of signatures to sign all of their packages, particularly when the build and signing process is automated, in some distros most packages come signed by the same bot. The issue about using a VM with a LTS distro about to expire or already expired is a valid one, but can you blame them when migrating breaks their flows and they don’t have enough hands, and that got overcome any ways. Now a days things are working fine AFAIK. That the clients support multiple repos violate an android policy, oh well, I don’t care much about android policies, and google for that matter, which collects a ton of data from users and people forgets about what that means, but what a bad practice not to follow those policies.

I believe some people really dislike free software, which is not the same as open source, one really need to value the four basic freedoms it procures, and if one doesn’t give a dumb for whatever reason then one doesn’t really appreciate free software, perhaps all one wants is not paid software, which is not the same. Free has two meanings and people often gets confused, and f-droid is about free software. It’s true they can’t guarantee every single bit of their content, but they trying through their policies and a few scripts has value to me, and taking a look at what free software meaning and the basic freedoms it looks to preserve is important to be understood before complaining about an organization trying to offer free software. It would be more appropriate if the terminology changes to use the spanish “libre” word instead, but it is what it is, that why sometimes FOSS is instead referred as FLOS (free/libre or free and libre). And true, as a result developers who want to provide apks through f-droid and also through non free software app stores or repos (whatever makes more sense) need to have in place something to account for the differences, and that’s not optimal, but there’s a good reason for it, but some developers just don’t want to do it and even less not depending on android proprietary stuff or other proprietary stuff for that matter, which is their prerogative any ways.

A little rant of mine, not we all have to agree over the same arguments I guess.

Well, it is available on the IzzyOnDroid separate f-droid repo, so if using the f-droid client, you can still grab freetubeAndroid with it.

Never tried it though, and not sure how bloated for a phone, but it’s easy to install/update with any f-droid client.

ohh, as I set sponsorblock for it some time back, I thought it also did it, but it does not.