ActivityPub C2S is not the the solution. It still requires a server and it still keeps the admins in control of everything.

ActivityPods seems to be going in the right direction, though…

How many people like you are using PieFed right now?

360 currently

Please, read things in context. I’m talking about moderators.

Are all the 360 PieFed users also community moderators?

And by doing so, it makes it available only for moderators with accounts on piefed. What is the current TAM? 20 people?

A separate tool could connect to any server federating “Report” activities. What is the current TAM? Any moderator of a group, no matter if their account is on Lemmy/PieFed/PixelFed/Misskey/Mastodon…

“moderation duties” and “regular participants” in a forum system have such different use cases, it makes no sense to try to make it work with the software itself.

It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators, instead of trying to shoehorn it in the existing API. But I don’t really think that this is something that really bothers people enough, given that last time I asked if I could get 20 people interested to sponsor the development of the moderation tool, and to this day only one person showed up.

If you want it to be “free to most users”, the cost of data storage and IO will completely dominate over the cost of CPU.

There are plenty of good arguments to prefer Rust over python for a distributed application, but “language efficiency” is not one of them.

Anyway, if you are biased in favor of Rust and want a decent argument to justify it, I will let you use ‘It’s easier to compile Rust to WASM and have the application run on the browser, while compiling python in a cross-platform way is a nightmare’, free of charge.

Generally, because I think all server-centric AP software is broken and I want to see a client-first application to browse the social web.

Particularly in relation to piefed: it seems to be focused on the exact opposite (giving more power to the server admins) and it takes a good page of social engineering / “nudge theory” principles to guide its design. Much like Mastodon, it seems to be strongly opinionated about how people should behave and it kinda gives me an icky feeling about its culture.

One more reason to be asking for help from the community and to be doing everything in the open.

He doesn’t need to know everything. No one is expecting him to deliver flawless software. But I’d have place more trust on someone that works in the open than someone who keeps saying “next week!” out of fear of being judged by the initial quality of their software.

I want to support the guy, but damn does he like to overpromise and underdeliver…

We’ve been hearing about Loops being open sourced (which would imply the ability to be federated) for months already. Just publish the thing and let the community help, @[email protected] !

Listen to Bernie:

Setting up parallel sending also would require more resources on their part.

It is your problem to fix, yet you are only willing to take action if the solution comes in the form that is most convenient to you. I genuinely don’t understand why, but I guess it’s between you and the users on your instance.

You won’t be making any changes to Lemmy source code itself, that’s what I mean. I wouldn’t count adding something that is independent from the service as “customizing it”, but if that is what you meant, fine.

That setup required an additional server for AZ

What I had in mind would be to run the relay myself, and you would only have to set up/manage an extra service that could run along your Lemmy process.

You seem to think (…) we’re willfully not taking an action that we should be taking.

Well, yes? You have the possibility to take the initiative and mitigate an issue that is affecting your users, and you can solve the problem independently of the third-party’s cooperation. Why put yourself at the mercy of others when you have enough power and agency?

Looks like everything worked fine except for pulling posts via the search API.

If you want to direct the efforts to move there I’d join you.

I’m not interested in customising the AZ server configuration more than it already is

There would be no customization of Lemmy itself. You’d only have to add a sidecar service.

If you don’t want to do it, fine, no one can force you to. But then perhaps it would be nice to be transparent with your users and tell them that the delay in federation can be avoided.

I responded to you before I had my coffee, so I didn’t realize that you are one of the admins for aussie.zone.

I will tell you what: I am 100% sure that I can write a service that can work as a bulk message relay and I’m equally sure that I can modify Fediverser’s code to make it able to ingest data from the relay. If you want to join Lemmy’s Matrix Room, we can chat to see how to best solve this.

the Lemmy devs are funded by NLNet donations and user donations, no business LW, lemm.ee, lemmy.zip, all of the top 20 or 50 instances are funded via donations

You are looking at this super-tiny space of “the Threadiverse” and taking it as the whole “social media landscape”. This is textbook example of selection bias.

How much do you want to bet that we will see a Reddit-like alternative built on ATProto by the end of the year? Which one do you think will have a better chance of success: the application that is starting of a potential userbase 1M MAU or the one with 25M+? How was Bluesky funded? Was it via donations?

Network effect can’t be fought by money

No, but money can buy infrastructure and development which is sorely needed. We are not limited because people don’t want to leave the walled gardens. They are eager to leave, but we keep failing to offer them an usable alternative.

The reason that Fediverse doesn’t grow is not because of any single particular feature of the other alternatives. It’s quite easy to say “Bluesky won over Mastodon because it has better content discovery” or “Matrix is not a good alternative to Discord because it is slow and has a moderation problem”, but all of these tiny things are not fundamental issues. They can all be fixed, but they just don’t get fixed fast enough because these organizations are lacking in resources compared to the VC funded alternatives.

Funding is like oxygen. Organisms that do not have circulatory systems can only grow to the size of insects. If we keep constraining ourselves to only these very limited sources of funding, we will be forever bound to this tiny insignificant niche space.

There is absolutely nothing in the AP spec that prevents people from pulling data from the outboxes instead of waiting to be pushed.

Alright, so I just learned about [email protected]. It’s a NodeBB instance run by the WeDistribute team, led by @[email protected] and it can interoperate with Lemmy and Mastodon and the mbin family of software.

Can we agree that it is a better fit than any of the existing alternatives?

If you prefer to avoid the conversation on the basis of “unpleasantness” instead of facing the arguments that are being presented to you, it’s your choice.

But at least show some decency and willingness to admit you were wrong and consider that maybe the best way to get a sustainable, healthy and universal Fediverse (i.e, not just a niche thing that barely reaches 1M MAU) is by having small businesses around?

And your tone now is pleasant and agreeable.

Now, it certainly isn’t.

Again, seemed like a risk to me.

What if I told you that Communick has reached break-even point, and since February it makes more in revenue than it costs to operate?

Oh, that’s right, I told you that already! It’s just that you didn’t react to it. Could it be because it doesn’t fit your worldview?