President Donald Trump isn’t attending the dignified transfer of four American soldiers who died in Lithuania, because he has instead chosen to attend a Saudi-backed golf tournament at his country club in Doral, Florida.
President Donald Trump isn’t attending the dignified transfer of four American soldiers who died in Lithuania, because he has instead chosen to attend a Saudi-backed golf tournament at his country club in Doral, Florida.
No one is ignoring it. We’re saying it’s not more important at the moment the recognizing the death of the people you order. That’s basic decency and their goddamn obligation as commander and chief. You seem to be the only one who is saying a belated conversation about imperialism is more important.
That’s shitty behavior so I’m simply going to assume you’re a shitty self absorbed person.
You’re being pretty harsh on that guy. Had you considered that America bad? Every soldier was literally Hitler because they were a member of America’s military and America bad. Checkmate.
These fuckin morons man, protest the war not the warrior. They’re usually kids who joined for money not to be idealogs for bafoons to push their narrative.
Honestly, even when they were ideologues, they’re 17 or 18 years old and have been fed Americana mythology their entire lives. Many of them didn’t realize it was all bullshit until later. But they do usually realize it.
This isn’t Vietnam. No one was forced into being a mass murderer for American Imperialism. And even then you could be like Muhammad Ali and tell the government to go fuck themselves.
Drive Uber, be a prostitute, join a gang. Literally anything is more honorable than being a part of the worlds largest terrorist organization. And until people start treating it like that people will still continue to join because it’s “honorable”. Stop honoring it. Because it’s significantly more honorable to be a sex worker (or nearly anything else) than it is to join the military. But for some reason our society has a problem with one and not the other.
You can feel sad for the soldiers tricked into dying to fight wars for rich people. But to act like that’s “honorable” is a fucking joke.
They were in Lithuania training none so far as I’m aware are war criminals so far as I’m aware so you’re simply assuming everyone in a uniform is a straight up murderer and deserves to die. You lack awareness, nuance and basic compassion, showing the deaf respect isn’t for the dead it’s for me and you to say what kind of person we are. You apparently are just an absolutely shitty human being.
Amazingly stupid.
Ps no one asked you to act like it’s honorable at all, we’re saying the president who leads the country you loathe so much needs to show the dead of their making respect.
You’re so goddamn ego driven you can’t figure out literally none of this is about you and your amazingly selfish self.
There is no nuance for being a part of a terrorist organization like the US military.
I doubt you would have the same reasoning if it was an “innocent” member of ISIS. You just like to pretend there is nuance when there is not.
No one would exclude a “desk job” at ISIS. These people enable the structures of terrorism whether they are participating in violent acts directly or not.
Same goes for the desk jobs of the US military. There is no nuance in joining an organization who’s entire purpose is to terrorize the third world.
I think you’re confusing having consistent moral compass with somehow being “selfish”? Because I’ve literally said nothing about myself. Sounds like you’re projecting.
There is, you’re being an especially stupid mouthpiece for ideology you hardly understand.
I would feel exactly the same way, I don’t want anyone dead and I show them all respect in don’t care who they are. It’s not about them, it’s about me and what I do that determines my character, not theirs.
They’re quite different, neither are without flaw but saying they’re the same is outright idiotic.
The US military existed before the country itself did and at that time we had no involvement in the middle east and wouldn’t for around 60 years. Hyperbole is an pretty stupid option when you’re making an already emotional argument based entirely on opinion.
Your compass only points to you hence selfish, it’s not about you or your opinion on America you selfish and apparently farcicaly literate twat.
What part of what I said was emotional? I feel like people just say this in order to not address what is actually being said. You simply say “you’re being emotional” and then you don’t have to address your own contridictions.
I’m pretty clear in pointing to the terrorism of both ISIS and the US military. I’m not using “emotion” I’m pointing to the material actions of these organizations that result in the deaths of innocent people. And if we were considering scale the US military would be far far worse. Even if we adjusted for the time they existed.
You are clearly the one trying to appeal to emotions. Pointing to the deaths of individual soldiers of these organizations. Like because they are humans in a uniform we have to “respect or honor” them. That is extremely emotional and not at all based in judging them by their material actions.
You can understand the circumstances that led these people to be in their roles in a terrorist organization. But you definitely do not have to “honor” or “respect” them. To do so is to endorse the material circumstances that lead to them being a part of that terrorist organization to begin with.
You’re really missing the point here and keep sidetracking by trying to say I’m “being emotional”. When you are clearly the only one appealing to emotions.
You’re literally making an emotional argument, “terrorist” isn’t a factually based claim as one man’s terrorists are anothers freedom fighters. You really aught not to be a grammer Nazi on top of a bigot, it’s not a good look.
It’s literally the subject of the article, not terrorism, not war.
No dude, you’re missing the point.
Tesla protestors, terrorists or protestors? If they die should I show them no respect. Draw some lines, let’s see what kind of escher on crack artwork it comes out as.
Not every Nazi was Hitler. But being upset that Hitler didn’t respect his troops is fucking stupid. If thats even on your list of criticisms for Hitler than I think something is wrong with your perspective. And if you did you would be saying that Nazis deserve respect. They don’t. And neither do American troops.
The only ones that deserve respect are the ones that desert and fight against the harms that they did.
Top notch comprehension. Nailed it.
I just have an actual moral compass instead of trying to find nuance for celebrating war criminals.
I’m fresh out of gold stars.
These particular people weren’t war criminals, you’re the one missing nuance to cram your narrative into inappropriate situations.
Your mother may be a whore but I’m still the asshole if I scream it at her corpse during her funeral.
How’d you feel when bin Laden was killed? Did people mourn respectfully, and should they have? Or do the actions of the organization you’re fighting for affect whether you deserve to be treated respectfully?
I throught it was fucked up for a number of reasons that they beheaded him and dumped his corpse at sea so he couldn’t have a traditional Muslim service.
Some did surely, those in his organization especially so and I don’t honestly think that helps your point but rather hurts it.
They don’t, treating the dead well is about you not them. They can’t be a piece of shit but you absolutely can be.
Any member of ISIS is enabling the terrorism of ISIS whether they work at a desk job or perform direct violence.
This goes the same for the terrorist organization that is the US military.
The only difference between me and you is consistency. I call all members of these organizations terrorist. You seem to want to pretend like there is “nuance” for one and not the other.
Go ahead. Tell me about the nuance for people that join ISIS and support their cause.
Because we’re not arguing nuance. You’re just arguing that the US military isn’t a terrorist organization. Which it is absolutely is. I’ll have that conversation. But don’t act like there is “nuance” here.
Also, there is a huge difference between “honoring” a dead soldier and “screaming at their funeral”. I’m saying these soldiers do not deserve honor. What they did was not at all honorable.
No one is saying otherwise but again this isn’t isis for one.
Sure if that makes you feel better.
I haven’t actually said they aren’t terrorist, you simply assume that to be the case because I show the dead respect. That difference therefore would be basic morality, the Geneva convention has provisions on how to treat the dead for a reason.
Why would I need to? I don’t care what they do, once they’re dead it doesn’t really matter much. If you want to take out your hate on the defenseless I think that says more about you than them.
Point to one time where I said the US military is not a terrorist organization, go ahead I’ll wait.
You’re literally screaming at their funeral, you’ve made a discussion about the leader of these dead folks being disrespectful to their subordinates who have passed away and you’ve found a way to make it about yourself and your biases and feelings.
No. I just give zero shits about the aesthetics of “military honor” in the US.
And any topic related to respecting the US military cannot be disconnected from the fact that it’s the largest terrorist organization in the world.
It’s like saying “oh damn, Putin wasn’t respectful to his dead troops”. Like, ok, I don’t give a shit about Putin or the troops that kill innocent people.
It’s not aesthetics, people died slow some respect when you’re the one who ordered it. No one is asking you to have common decency, clearly you don’t so I won’t ask.
That’s literally every military, but again you’re ignoring the humans that died who didn’t harm anyone and were involved in humanitarian efforts, let me say that again training efforts with an allied country not war. Stop being so much of a bigot you can’t see the tree amongst the forest.
No one is asking for you to care about Putin, you’re being obtuse. It’s especially dumb with Russia because they’re conscripts in a oligopoly who imprisons deserters and allegedly kills some.
Yeah. The leader of a military that terrorizes the third world SHOULD honor his troops. At least in terms of his own self interest. But that’s clearly not what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about why YOU or I should care about it?
If anything it’s good that he doesn’t. Being in the US military is NOT honorable. And any movement in our culture and society to realize this is good.
You can be sad for the people that died being a part of the worlds largest terrorist organization. Sad they were fooled into it.
But if you keep honoring it. More people will join and die needlessly.
There is literally more honor in being an Uber Driver or a Sex Worker than there is in being in the US military. And maybe some of these kids that died needlessly would be doing food delivery or dancing on only fans if people like you and people in this thread started treating joining the military as what it is. One of the most disgusting and dishonorable things you can do.
So, feel pity for the kids that died. But if you want less of them to die do not honor them. There is no honor to be placed in dying for American empire.
We all know what you’re talking about, it’s you who is confused about what we all are talking about.
Logic much?
For the third time NO ONE IS ASKING YOU NOR I TO HONOR A GODDAMN THING. Do you need it in German, Korean? Screamed at you while being beaten aggressively with a spoon? What? English by itself clearly isn’t working so what exactly do you think might?
You’re gonna quote me and purposely remove the one sentence in the middle that is important to the context? Like, did you do that in your head and not even notice it? Or do you do it purposely to avoid the point being made?
I really hope it’s the former. I’d much rather hope that you’re just arguing in bad faith rather than being that dumb.
At this point it’s obvious that you’re trying to “debate lord” more than you are trying to understand what I’m saying. So I don’t really have much interest in continuing this conversation.
That still means they should honor their troops, context in this case neither adds nor detracts.
Again, everyone understands what you’re saying. We’re simply trying to get you to understand how big of a piece of shit you are to be saying it right now.