President Donald Trump isn’t attending the dignified transfer of four American soldiers who died in Lithuania, because he has instead chosen to attend a Saudi-backed golf tournament at his country club in Doral, Florida.

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    21 hours ago

    Again, you’re just trying to distance them from the material results of their support for an organization that kills innocent people on a daily basis.

    Whether they were doing a desk job or piloting a drone, they were a part of the organization that murders innocent people.

    Just as I don’t respect any cop regardless of whether they are a crossing guard or an ICE agent. They all support the structures of injustice. They are all bastards. And so is every dumb ass Joe that dies in the mud.

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      21 hours ago

      And you’re trying to reduce them to a moral decision so you no longer have to see them as people.

      So are you dumb guy perhaps with more steps but we all contribute to atrocities so should I disrespect you when you are dead?

      Yeah that’s just a long easy to say you’re a bigot who likes to dehumanize people so their choices seem less morally dubious.

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        The complete cognitive dissonance it must take to defend the people that opress and murder the poorest and most defenseless people in the world.

        Like, you must really only see westerners as people and no one else. That’s the only real answer for it.

        Youve spent the whole time defending the military and not once gave a shit out the innocent people they kill. Some dude flying halfway across the world to “protect our freedom” against the poorest people in the world.

        You can’t do this “both sides” crap. Because you can pretend you see people of Gaza or Yemen as people. But if all you do is spend your whole time saying “both sides” then all you’re doing is siding with the status quo and the oppression done by American Imperialism and the allies it weaponizes.

        My hatred for the US military comes directly from my humanization of the people that they opress and kill. So, yeah, when I see a dead Joe that decided to go join that organization of terror all I see is “one less soldier to kill the innocent”. Because that’s what all of them are used for. Directly or indirectly that is the result of being in the military.

        And I will never show respect for them. I will continue to show disrespect when they die. Because all of the ones that are still alive should feel the same shame. They should be shamed to stop serving. Because serving in the US military is something to be shamed. In life and in death.

        And your “respect” for them is only serving to keep others serving and killing innocent people.

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          20 hours ago

          No one is defending anyone for being anything but a human who deserves some amount of respect for simply being a human and being dead. You seem to be arguing that mutilation wouldn’t even be offensive because they’re in your opinion terrorists, that’s fucked up.

          I see everyone as a person, you’re the one being selective about who does and does not deserve basic human decency. You are a terrorist but your own definition which is amusing in itself.

          I never said anything that could be construed as for or against anything but basic morality. That in this case is literally what they were asked to be there for which in this case was a show of force against Russia.

          Yes I can when it comes to what respect the dead deserve, it’s not a political issue it’s a moral argument. That said if all you do is talk shit on the Internet you’re really not doing much but jerking yourself off and telling yourself you’re doing something of worth, you aren’t your just an angry bigot.

          So every soldier is a murderer, gotcha. Any other idiotic platitudes do you have, every jew is greedy, every brown dude a terrorist?

          Fuck off with that shit.

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            15 hours ago

            You’re just arguing with a strawman at this point. Literally just making up stuff that I never said to argue against. Do you even read what you say? It’s like you’re having a conversation with yourself.

            Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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              14 hours ago

              Hey we found another thing you don’t understand.

              What you’re doing now is ad hominem, you dummy have a defensible point to make so instead you hurl insults and entirely abandon your moronic argument.

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                9 hours ago

                There is nothing to defend when you’re not actually attacking what I’m saying. You’re talking about things I never said like jewish conspiracy theories. Pointing out your strawman’s is not “ad hominem”. I think you might need to reread your comment and see if you actually addressed anything I said. You didn’t. You jumped to conclusions and then made up shit I never said to argue against.

                it’s also ironic your mistaken “ad hominem” is directly followed with a “you dummy”. Pretty funny. Just contradicting your own point.

                Just straight ignoring what I said by creating a strawman and then trying to point to a falacy you are guilty of in the very next sentence.

                I’m not a “debate lord”. But I always find it funny when debate perverts like yourself can’t even follow your own reasoning. It’s adorable.

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                  6 hours ago

                  That’s literally all I’ve done is arguing against any point you make, you attack me and these soldiers not the other way round. It’s literally ad hominem, read a book on occasion and this know that.

                  Oh there’s no mistake, you’re a piece of shit but it’s not as hominem, I address your argument then how big a shitbag you have to be to make it given it’s vehement immorality.

                  I’ve literally addressed every single one of your points point by point, it’s not my issue that your argument sucks and you have to repeat yourself because you’re stuck in a mental hole and couldn’t climb your way out to save your life.

                  No, you aren’t a debate lord, you’re a piss lord, an angry bigot who can’t put their bullshit on hold for ten seconds to recognize they’re still people.

                  Since you’re complaining about missed points here’s one you refused to answer.

                  Tesla protestors, terrorists or protestors? Should I mow then down with my car and think nothing of it simply because a corrupt administration has labeled then terrorists so morons like you react moronically? Draw a line, let’s see where your morality starts and stops.

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                    28 minutes ago

                    Zzzzzzzzzzz I’m bored with you. You just keep repeating the same thing. Calling me a piece of shit human for not respecting piece of shit humans with they die. The irony.