The first one is a lie. Just so much was going on he couldn’t stop the republicans from going forward with leaded gas
The second one doesn’t make and sense. They werent fighting for HIV help when HIV wasn’t a problem. We’ll yeah it wasn’t a problem yet! But once it actually became a problem the democrats were pretty quick to try to jump to help before the 80s was over. Being mainly held back by, yup, Republicans.
And the last one just makes you an asshole. How dare democrats have some patriotism after the biggest attack on the country. Literally most everyone was for the war at first, and if you weren’t you were anti American. And who spread the sentiment around? You know it was Republicans. After the wave of blind patriotism was over who was opposed to the Iraqi invasion?
From the article you posted
on Meet the Press in 2007, Biden defended his false claims about Iraqi WMDs by falsely insisting that “everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them.”
So when Bush (a Republican) pushed for the war, it was pretty controversial to go against it cause you were pretty un patriotic. But did the majority of democrats vote for it any way? No! The vote was 296-133
126 democrats, 6 republicans, and one independent voted against it. So, it seems again the democrats were on the “better” side.
I don’t think there’s much of a point in continuing this discussion because you continue to make up excuses for the democratic parties failings.
You don’t seem to understand that I am simply wanting to push the democratic party to be more proactive and progressive rather then reacting to Republicans (frequently nodding along in agreement for a while until finally getting with reality).
I never once claimed the two parties were the same, that’s simply your assumption to my healthy skepticism with either parties company line.
If you think the democrats are squeeky clean, you’re misinformed and are unintentionally helping to erode our democracy.
Calling out prior misdeeds from democrats while fighting for better options is not supporting Republicans and the hive mind bullshit from Democrats is what helped get us here and ensured the Biden administration and it’s failures occurred. They failed (predictably) to prevent this from occurring by refusing to fight for the people. “oh the parlimentsrisn said we can’t do that” “oh woops Marijuana is still schedule 1” “sure the covid era safety net helped raise hundreds of thousands of children from poverty but we can’t be fucked to fight to continue them” “oh no roe v wade is overturned, better vote for us so we can still do fuck all”
Idk man, wake the fuck up, the Republicans are obviously far worse, but if we can’t expect more from our supposed good party, what the fuck do you think is going to happen? Exactly what did, less people voted, voter rights laws backsliding, there is evidence of election tampering by the Republicans (big surprise they always scream the loudest about the shit they’re doing or planning to do) etc etc. Much of this could have been prevented if the democratic party had any fucking backbone to fight for what they claim to believe in.
No, all this happened because of people like you who fracture the democratic position.
The republican side can do no wrong to their voters. They can push for whatever and still get everyone on their side to vote for them.
Meanwhile, people like you need the party to be perfect to vote for them. People like you yell the loudest about how your not happy with the democratic leaders not being perfect so it causes others to also not vote, even though they didn’t look into what actually happened.
You all and your pursuit of a perfect left candidate allowed the right to be facist, because they saw all the in fighting between us and just kept stepping right
They didn’t, FDRs admin pushed leaded gasoline (though his presidency was obviously good in many other ways)
Most democrats didn’t push for HIV/AIDS research and funding until many years after it became clearly an issue.
And https://truthout.org/articles/democrats-share-the-blame-for-tragedy-of-iraq-war/ most didn’t argue with the reasoning for the Iraq War.
The first one is a lie. Just so much was going on he couldn’t stop the republicans from going forward with leaded gas
The second one doesn’t make and sense. They werent fighting for HIV help when HIV wasn’t a problem. We’ll yeah it wasn’t a problem yet! But once it actually became a problem the democrats were pretty quick to try to jump to help before the 80s was over. Being mainly held back by, yup, Republicans.
And the last one just makes you an asshole. How dare democrats have some patriotism after the biggest attack on the country. Literally most everyone was for the war at first, and if you weren’t you were anti American. And who spread the sentiment around? You know it was Republicans. After the wave of blind patriotism was over who was opposed to the Iraqi invasion?
From the article you posted
So when Bush (a Republican) pushed for the war, it was pretty controversial to go against it cause you were pretty un patriotic. But did the majority of democrats vote for it any way? No! The vote was 296-133
126 democrats, 6 republicans, and one independent voted against it. So, it seems again the democrats were on the “better” side.
But keep acting like they’re the same.
I don’t think there’s much of a point in continuing this discussion because you continue to make up excuses for the democratic parties failings.
You don’t seem to understand that I am simply wanting to push the democratic party to be more proactive and progressive rather then reacting to Republicans (frequently nodding along in agreement for a while until finally getting with reality).
I never once claimed the two parties were the same, that’s simply your assumption to my healthy skepticism with either parties company line.
If you think the democrats are squeeky clean, you’re misinformed and are unintentionally helping to erode our democracy.
Calling out prior misdeeds from democrats while fighting for better options is not supporting Republicans and the hive mind bullshit from Democrats is what helped get us here and ensured the Biden administration and it’s failures occurred. They failed (predictably) to prevent this from occurring by refusing to fight for the people. “oh the parlimentsrisn said we can’t do that” “oh woops Marijuana is still schedule 1” “sure the covid era safety net helped raise hundreds of thousands of children from poverty but we can’t be fucked to fight to continue them” “oh no roe v wade is overturned, better vote for us so we can still do fuck all”
Idk man, wake the fuck up, the Republicans are obviously far worse, but if we can’t expect more from our supposed good party, what the fuck do you think is going to happen? Exactly what did, less people voted, voter rights laws backsliding, there is evidence of election tampering by the Republicans (big surprise they always scream the loudest about the shit they’re doing or planning to do) etc etc. Much of this could have been prevented if the democratic party had any fucking backbone to fight for what they claim to believe in.
No, all this happened because of people like you who fracture the democratic position.
The republican side can do no wrong to their voters. They can push for whatever and still get everyone on their side to vote for them.
Meanwhile, people like you need the party to be perfect to vote for them. People like you yell the loudest about how your not happy with the democratic leaders not being perfect so it causes others to also not vote, even though they didn’t look into what actually happened.
You all and your pursuit of a perfect left candidate allowed the right to be facist, because they saw all the in fighting between us and just kept stepping right
You grow the fuck up
Jesus christ.