Israel and the Jewish diaspora are marking Holocaust Remembrance Day, amid the ongoing war in Gaza. During the official ceremony, one Holocaust survivor defied protocol by calling for the release of hostages.
Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing. Mass killings are not ok but Hamas isn’t the good guy here. If they had more military strength there would be a lot more dead Israelis.
If you look it up in the Btselem database, that’s not true either. 2002 was higher.
The hot spots in the West Bank were Jenin and Nablus. The reason for the increased deaths were more terrorist activities by new organizations Lion’s Den and Jenin Brigades.
It’s almost like 19 is the median age, due to the ongoing apartheid and ethnic cleansing, and Palestinians have only ever known life under the violent supremacist Zionist occupation.
Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing.
May I interest you in literally all of Palestinian history? What did you want them to do? Sit on their asses as they’re starved and the West bank is ethnically cleansed by the Nazis?
For the first three: Why the hell did they have to give up their land to people who explicitly wanted to create an apartheid state?
For the rest: Pick any one of those and I’ll explain in detail why it was another farce. You’ll also have to explain what 1967 peace deal there was for Palestinians to accept.
Under UN partition plan nobody would have needed to move. Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.
Why? To avoid war.
Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.
Are you aware of what Zionists did in the Nakba? Are you aware of why they committed the Nakba? Zionists wanted a Jewish state with an overwhelmingly Jewish majority so they could maintain the facade of a Jewish democratic state. Ethnic cleansing was simply the solution to that “problem”. There’s no world in which Palestinians would be allowed to etay peacefully in their land because they’d never vote for Zionists. Also look at the shit they did after they won the war and the shit they keep doing now. Are these the actions of people that were ever going to respect private land ownership?
Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine, which in theory should’ve posed no issue, but they didn’t because it wouldn’t be a Jewish-dominated apartheid state.
Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.
They were occupied—by neighboring Arab states. And either way that’s not a peace deal. Did you have something concrete in mind or were you just lying?
20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs today, with full rights.
And is 80% Jews not an overwhelming majority? Again, Zionists committed a whole ethnic cleansing campaign to get the Palestinian proportion of the population that low, and they did not in fact have full rights until 1967. Everything the Palestinian and Arab side feared would happen did.
What offer are you talking about?
In its debates, the UN divided its member States into two subcommittees: one to address options for partition and a second to address all other options. The Second Subcommittee, which included all the Arab and Muslim States members, issued a long report arguing that partition was illegal according to the terms of the Mandate and proposing a unitary democratic state that would protect rights of all citizens equally.
Apparently it was an Arab proposal rather than a Palestinian one, so my bad there. Still, it was an option that was being talked about. And speaking of which, stop referring to Palestinians as Arabs. There are north of 300 million Arabs only about 10 million of which are Palestinian.
Edit: You also didn’t respond to my Ben Gurion quote. This is the George Washington of Israel and he said “We must expel Arabs and take their place”, in 1937.
Honestly Hamas is what struck the match for Israel to start killing. Mass killings are not ok but Hamas isn’t the good guy here. If they had more military strength there would be a lot more dead Israelis.
2023 was one of the deadliest years for Palestinians prior to October.
*In the West Bank ^
Statistics say otherwise
https://statistics.btselem.org/en/all-fatalities/by-date-of-incident?section=overall&tab=charts
Pretty much all years from 2000-2009 were worse. 2021 and 2018 were worse as well.
Oh sorry, I misremembered, it’s specifically the West Bank.
If you look it up in the Btselem database, that’s not true either. 2002 was higher.
The hot spots in the West Bank were Jenin and Nablus. The reason for the increased deaths were more terrorist activities by new organizations Lion’s Den and Jenin Brigades.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/phenomenon-jenin-brigades-and-lions-den
Deadliest for children because Israel targets children.
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/2023-marks-deadliest-year-record-children-occupied-west-bank
Resistance groups grow because of the fucking apartheid
These new resistance groups are run by teenagers. The leaders are like 19 years old. Lots of the rank and file are 15-17.
A teenager can hold a gun just fine.
It’s almost like 19 is the median age, due to the ongoing apartheid and ethnic cleansing, and Palestinians have only ever known life under the violent supremacist Zionist occupation.
May I interest you in literally all of Palestinian history? What did you want them to do? Sit on their asses as they’re starved and the West bank is ethnically cleansed by the Nazis?
Accept one of the many peace deals for two states that were offered. 1935, 1947, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2008. This list is incomplete.
For the first three: Why the hell did they have to give up their land to people who explicitly wanted to create an apartheid state?
For the rest: Pick any one of those and I’ll explain in detail why it was another farce. You’ll also have to explain what 1967 peace deal there was for Palestinians to accept.
Under UN partition plan nobody would have needed to move. Everybody would stay where they live already. Jewish immigration would only go to one of the states. It was always planned with a minority of Jews in the Arab state and a minority of Arabs in the Jewish state. So no giving up land that was privately owned. All land acquired by Zionists until 1948 was legally purchased.
Why? To avoid war.
Between 1948 and 1967 Palestinians could have accepted Israel’s existence and declared a Palestinian state in the non occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Are you aware of what Zionists did in the Nakba? Are you aware of why they committed the Nakba? Zionists wanted a Jewish state with an overwhelmingly Jewish majority so they could maintain the facade of a Jewish democratic state. Ethnic cleansing was simply the solution to that “problem”. There’s no world in which Palestinians would be allowed to etay peacefully in their land because they’d never vote for Zionists. Also look at the shit they did after they won the war and the shit they keep doing now. Are these the actions of people that were ever going to respect private land ownership?
-Ben Gurion, 1937.
Zionists could’ve accepted the Palestinian proposal of a mutli-ethnic democracy spanning all of Palestine, which in theory should’ve posed no issue, but they didn’t because it wouldn’t be a Jewish-dominated apartheid state.
They were occupied—by neighboring Arab states. And either way that’s not a peace deal. Did you have something concrete in mind or were you just lying?
20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs today, with full rights.
Look up what the Arab leaders said at the time.
What offer are you talking about?
And is 80% Jews not an overwhelming majority? Again, Zionists committed a whole ethnic cleansing campaign to get the Palestinian proportion of the population that low, and they did not in fact have full rights until 1967. Everything the Palestinian and Arab side feared would happen did.
-Wikipedia
Apparently it was an Arab proposal rather than a Palestinian one, so my bad there. Still, it was an option that was being talked about. And speaking of which, stop referring to Palestinians as Arabs. There are north of 300 million Arabs only about 10 million of which are Palestinian.
Edit: You also didn’t respond to my Ben Gurion quote. This is the George Washington of Israel and he said “We must expel Arabs and take their place”, in 1937.