• Hominy_Hank@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    So, I have read and been told this many times before. Some times I will rewatch the movie to try and see that narrative. And I’ll admit, I’m and idiot. But I can’t get past the idea of: Bugs are just icky, no matter the size. Remove at all costs.

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      6 days ago

      The most blatant satire part of the movie (imo) is when the recruiter with the prosthetic arm says “the mobile infantry made me the man I am today” and scoots his chair back revealing both legs missing.

      Also near the end when NPH shows up in what is almost a direct copy of an SS uniform. It’s a bit on the nose.

      The brilliance of the movie is you follow the main characters who are 100% indoctrinated into this shit. There’s really no voice of reason. Nothing (aside from the whole nazi uniform thing) really screams fash if you’re not paying attention.

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      6 days ago

      I will never understand how they made the entire movie and then had any possible thought people would understand their perspective. The problem is they got lost in the utopia part of the fascist utopia. Sure their culture looks weird from our perspective and has a fascist paint job., but is it really that bad of a society to live in as depicted? Everyone is depicted as generally agreeing with society and it’s norms, society seems to filter people into the roles that actually let them reach the best of their own abilities and that of the culture. No semblance or poverty or even elitism – except against bugs which are mindless as far as the audience knows. The closest we get to seeing that the bugs might be sentient is a psychic dude telling us that a prisoner of war is feeling fear while it is bound, defeated, and surrounded by its enemies.

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      7 days ago

      Except they aren’t bugs in your home, they’re isolated to their own planet already.

      Plus, consider the justification for the attack;

      “the bugs attacked Earth first”

      REALLY?

      Consider the amount of maths and physics knowledge for us to get to our own moon. We have to calculate the trajectory of our own moon, the spin of the Earth, gravity, etc.

      Now, in the movie, apparently the bugs bombed Earth.

      FUCKING HOW. They exist outside our solar system. The level of maths for this is impossible without computers.

      Not only have you got all the complications we had for a celestial body which was closest to us, but our sun has its own orbit within the milky way.

      The narrative that the bugs attacked Earth first was a false flag. It was almost certainly just a meteor which couldn’t be stopped, which gave someone a reason to keep the perpetual motion machine of Fascism alive.

      Without a common enemy, Fascism turns inwards.

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        6 days ago

        Okay, sure. But how is the bugs attacking first unlikely, when they are able to calculate that kind of interstellar trajectory to colonize all the other planets in their empire? They shoot spores into space and hit other planets to colonize.

        Why could the bugs not have shot a colonizing spore at earth, or another human controlled planet, and that was perceived as an attack? The bugs empire rivaled the human empire after all.

        Or am I missing something obvious here?

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          6 days ago

          Our galaxy has a span of ~2 million light years.

          Even if the bugs could send spores to neighboring planets, it would take billions of years for them to send spores to earth, as they aren’t capable of light-speed travel.

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            6 days ago

            There is too many different versions of starship troopers to have a meaningful conversation about the logistics of how they travel. But there are transport bugs capable of interstellar travel. The first one was located on Pluto, so they were already in our system. Depending on which version of Starship Troopers you bring up Buenos Aires was either attacked directly by the bugs or had a meteor destroy it.

            And the bugs have to have some sort of FTL travel since the humans followed the first transport bug back to the Arachnid homeworld. If that would take billions of years then the humans wouldn’t have been able to follow them back after they left Sol.

            Starship Troopers is full of plot holes and inconsistencies that would, again, likely prevent us from having a meaningful conversation about the logistics of the Arachnids.