yeah, the “information wants to be free” and the other two are completely different people….
it’s more like, 3 different kinds of tech people:
also, i’m going to call this “tech-bro” thing sexism… women are awesome in tech and the field can be very exclusionary… just because society has been keeping women out of tech, doesn’t mean you can just assume they’re all bros….
also check out unixsocks… they’re definitely not bros….
“Techbro” is a specific name for a subsection of the tech population who have become complete douche canoes (much like the middle and right people in the image). The crypto/AI/whatever people. These people are mostly male.
All kinds of awesome people work in tech, but they are not considered “tech bro”, just cool tech people.
“information wants to be free” is a hacker expression… it deeply offends me to see that attached to tech bro.
and women are fully capable of being douche canoes, as well as being strong positive or negative forces in tech. You’re mostly seeing males in this role BECAUSE of sexism… acting like they’re just naturally mostly male is reinforcing that.
there is a huge problem with sexism in tech.
Oh yeah, the “information wants to be free” thing shouldn’t be attached to techbros. Totally agreed. I think the meme is meant to show a devolution from a tech activist into techbro, but obviously not everyone followed that pipeline. I used to be in the “information wants to be free” and privacy-focused camp 10 years ago and I still am. There will be plenty of us.
I could be wrong, but I think “tech-bro” as a term isn’t meant to apply to everyone in tech. It’s mean to capture the intersection of tech people and “bros” – the kind of guy who likes football or something.
Of course that’s just what it’s meant to be; if people use it for all men in tech then yeah it just becomes a sexist and luddite terminology.
I’ve heard that “argument” about a lot of slurs. Do you think any non-tech person is involved or interested enough to make any difference between the good tech-males and the bad tech-bros? Besides, why would there be a problem with a guy who likes football?
BTW. Men are not the victims of that slur. The subtext is that good girls don’t do tech. Or if they do, they at least don’t make waves. They don’t invent things, become rich tech CEOs, or anything else that someone might find objectionable. They can become artists and make pretty things, or authors and write about their feelings; that sort of thing. You know, girl stuff.
“Good girl” is an idiomatic expression. Often, as in my comment, it refers to an abstract concept of femininity and not to adult women or any person at all.
it was originally the intersection of Joe Rogan, raw meat enema, bro world with tech… but as the term spread, it’s now just a derogatory term for anyone into technology….
but the other person who responded to you put it better….
Tech-Bro is an almost exclusively male subsection of people in Tech, who think that
A. Tech solves everything
B. As people doing Tech, they know everything
C. Any non-tech attempt at solving something is bad.
I disagree. It’s not “one leads to the other,” it’s that people change. Far too often people start out, not just in tech, bucking the system in some way. Anti-authority, pro-privacy, anti-centralized control, etc.
But when the server costs start mounting for a service that gets popular and money needs to come in, people change. Now you need to monetize via ads or whatever, now you get attacked, you circle the wagons, get investors, and it’s all downhill from there.
Digg and Reddit are big examples, Google could arguably be a similar case, it happens in music too where a band “sells out”, like Metallica for example. An originally anti-authority metal band starts lawsuits and banning fans to protect profits.
Sure there are plenty of situations where services remain open and free (for now), like wikipedia, linux distros, etc. but we aren’t always that lucky.
Sure there are plenty of situations where services remain open and free (for now), like wikipedia, linux distros, etc. but we aren’t always that lucky.
It’s got absolutely fuck all to do with “luck.” It has everything to do with adoption.
Most people won’t adopt things that aren’t sufficiently pretty. They’re more than happy being data whores for social media pimps because it’s so fun.
You may have missed the word “pipeline.” I’m not denying people change, but this meme is suggesting that good intentions are the first step toward bad intentions.
Bad meme. Implies “information wants to be free” leads to “have you considered monetizing empathy?”
yeah, the “information wants to be free” and the other two are completely different people….
it’s more like, 3 different kinds of tech people:
also, i’m going to call this “tech-bro” thing sexism… women are awesome in tech and the field can be very exclusionary… just because society has been keeping women out of tech, doesn’t mean you can just assume they’re all bros….
also check out unixsocks… they’re definitely not bros….
“Techbro” is a specific name for a subsection of the tech population who have become complete douche canoes (much like the middle and right people in the image). The crypto/AI/whatever people. These people are mostly male.
All kinds of awesome people work in tech, but they are not considered “tech bro”, just cool tech people.
“information wants to be free” is a hacker expression… it deeply offends me to see that attached to tech bro.
and women are fully capable of being douche canoes, as well as being strong positive or negative forces in tech. You’re mostly seeing males in this role BECAUSE of sexism… acting like they’re just naturally mostly male is reinforcing that.
there is a huge problem with sexism in tech.
Oh yeah, the “information wants to be free” thing shouldn’t be attached to techbros. Totally agreed. I think the meme is meant to show a devolution from a tech activist into techbro, but obviously not everyone followed that pipeline. I used to be in the “information wants to be free” and privacy-focused camp 10 years ago and I still am. There will be plenty of us.
it’s not a pipeline though, hacktavists don’t become tech bros, they fight them.
I personally haven’t seen that either, but that’s what the meme says. Not necessarily that I think happens often
pipeline means a thing
I know. You’re talking to me like I made the meme, but I didn’t. Nor do I think that this pipeline is really common
I could be wrong, but I think “tech-bro” as a term isn’t meant to apply to everyone in tech. It’s mean to capture the intersection of tech people and “bros” – the kind of guy who likes football or something.
Of course that’s just what it’s meant to be; if people use it for all men in tech then yeah it just becomes a sexist and luddite terminology.
I’ve heard that “argument” about a lot of slurs. Do you think any non-tech person is involved or interested enough to make any difference between the good tech-males and the bad tech-bros? Besides, why would there be a problem with a guy who likes football?
BTW. Men are not the victims of that slur. The subtext is that good girls don’t do tech. Or if they do, they at least don’t make waves. They don’t invent things, become rich tech CEOs, or anything else that someone might find objectionable. They can become artists and make pretty things, or authors and write about their feelings; that sort of thing. You know, girl stuff.
Adult girls are called women.
“Good girl” is an idiomatic expression. Often, as in my comment, it refers to an abstract concept of femininity and not to adult women or any person at all.
It infantalizes those qualities, so you are not so ironically being sexist while trying to speak against sexism.
I did not say that men are the victim, though I don’t dispute it either. I said it’s sexist. I also didn’t say it was a slur.
Anyway, I hear my friends in tech use the term a lot. They aren’t referring to white-hat hackers, they’re generally referring to vapid entrepreneurs.
precisely
it was originally the intersection of Joe Rogan, raw meat enema, bro world with tech… but as the term spread, it’s now just a derogatory term for anyone into technology….
but the other person who responded to you put it better….
Tech-Bro is an almost exclusively male subsection of people in Tech, who think that A. Tech solves everything B. As people doing Tech, they know everything C. Any non-tech attempt at solving something is bad.
This isn’t a sexist term.
I disagree. It’s not “one leads to the other,” it’s that people change. Far too often people start out, not just in tech, bucking the system in some way. Anti-authority, pro-privacy, anti-centralized control, etc.
But when the server costs start mounting for a service that gets popular and money needs to come in, people change. Now you need to monetize via ads or whatever, now you get attacked, you circle the wagons, get investors, and it’s all downhill from there.
Digg and Reddit are big examples, Google could arguably be a similar case, it happens in music too where a band “sells out”, like Metallica for example. An originally anti-authority metal band starts lawsuits and banning fans to protect profits.
Sure there are plenty of situations where services remain open and free (for now), like wikipedia, linux distros, etc. but we aren’t always that lucky.
It’s got absolutely fuck all to do with “luck.” It has everything to do with adoption.
Most people won’t adopt things that aren’t sufficiently pretty. They’re more than happy being data whores for social media pimps because it’s so fun.
You may have missed the word “pipeline.” I’m not denying people change, but this meme is suggesting that good intentions are the first step toward bad intentions.
Nah.
I mean, if they became rich, maybe. Certainly contrast Stanford-era Brin with modern Google, sure.
But um… Nah.