Name one fucking song that anyone would recognize. Something like Bon Jovi’s Always or Meat Loaf’s I Would Do Anything For Love, Aerosmith’s I Don’t Want to Miss A Thing, or Elvis Presley’s I Can’t Help Falling In Love With You. Just one gut-wrenching, tear duct triggering love song written by a woman.
I find it so interesting, that you seem to be under the impression that men are framed as evil by supposed feminists, yet denounce the work of a women if they worked with a man, as if the man being in the picture delegitemises the women’s sincerity and work. Isn’t cooperation regardless of gender what brings equality? Isn’t it unrealistic to expect anyone from never interacting with someone of the male gender in their career? I don’t think we should denounce the work of women for doing that, especially when looking at music from the past century, when women didn’t have the right to choose a career without a man’s permission
This isn’t as puzzling as you make it out to be. The whole point of feminism is claiming that women are just as capable and competent as men. So why do most of them seem to need help from men to write successful songs?
Now I’m certainly not saying that women lack talent as a whole (Whitney Houston’s I Will Always Love You was written by Dolly Parton originally, so clearly is possible for women to produce a megahit love song), it’s just that extreme talent seems to be more common in men. What seems to be lacking is women’s ability to recognize and appreciate that in men, and that’s the point I believe anon was trying to make.
But a system that makes it harder for a certain group of people to become successful will create more successful people of the favoured group.
There may be other factors at play here, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say that men have a higher likelyness of being extremely talented with the possible underlying implication that talent is dependent on sex.
As an artist myself I might add, talent is a misconception in itself. Arts are a craft that can be learned.
What seems to be lacking is women’s ability to recognize and appreciate [extreme talent] in men, and that’s the point I believe anon was trying to make.
The whole bear/man in the woods thing was about feeling safe, not men’s artistic talent.
Would I feel uneasy or insecure about it if I was a guy? Probably. But anon fails to ask the important question.
Why do women choose the bear, despite the dedicated, artistic, violent deeds of men for love?
I’ll leave this open, because I believe we won’t see eye to eye on this one.
Well Emmylou wrote the lyrics to it. And OMG it is a tearjerker so full of emotion.
I personally wouldn’t argue the main point (men are way more into the trappings of “romance” than women are) because that’s been my experience too. But there have been historical barriers to entry for women in the arts.
Kacey Muskgraves writes some sweet love songs (also more country like the other 2) .
Maybe cultural too, Spanish chanteuses sing a lot about love, more than I hear in other American pop music.
Literally anything by Violeta Parra. Lhasa de Sela is another favorite. You gotta break out of only English-language songs. (But also people are just giving you some basic-ass examples.)
OP doesn’t want to learn, just wants to confirm his preconceived notions. I’m actually pretty sure he’s the anon who composed the green text, and if not he wishes he had. Note his examples are not only exclusively English language but most are from the 80s or later.
Who are these people? Guy asked you for legendary and you went niche. There are plenty of talented women that have written and performed legendary songs that you could have chosen.
But I am sorry for defending him. He seems like an incel himself and kind of a dick.
Name one fucking song that anyone would recognize. Something like Bon Jovi’s Always or Meat Loaf’s I Would Do Anything For Love, Aerosmith’s I Don’t Want to Miss A Thing, or Elvis Presley’s I Can’t Help Falling In Love With You. Just one gut-wrenching, tear duct triggering love song written by a woman.
Jonie Mitchell Case of You
Emmylou Harris Boulder to Birmingham
ETA holy crap how did I forget Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac? She wrote a lot of their more poignant love songs.
Never heard of either, and the second song was co-written by a man, but I’ll say Joni Mitchell counts.
Those goalposts are like ten miles from where your started eh?
Not really. Anon claimed 99% of love songs were WRITTEN by men, didn’t he?
I’m really starting to suspect anon is you.
I find it so interesting, that you seem to be under the impression that men are framed as evil by supposed feminists, yet denounce the work of a women if they worked with a man, as if the man being in the picture delegitemises the women’s sincerity and work. Isn’t cooperation regardless of gender what brings equality? Isn’t it unrealistic to expect anyone from never interacting with someone of the male gender in their career? I don’t think we should denounce the work of women for doing that, especially when looking at music from the past century, when women didn’t have the right to choose a career without a man’s permission
This isn’t as puzzling as you make it out to be. The whole point of feminism is claiming that women are just as capable and competent as men. So why do most of them seem to need help from men to write successful songs?
Now I’m certainly not saying that women lack talent as a whole (Whitney Houston’s I Will Always Love You was written by Dolly Parton originally, so clearly is possible for women to produce a megahit love song), it’s just that extreme talent seems to be more common in men. What seems to be lacking is women’s ability to recognize and appreciate that in men, and that’s the point I believe anon was trying to make.
Patricarchy.
If the only tool you have is feminism, every problem looks like the patriarchy.
But a system that makes it harder for a certain group of people to become successful will create more successful people of the favoured group.
There may be other factors at play here, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say that men have a higher likelyness of being extremely talented with the possible underlying implication that talent is dependent on sex.
As an artist myself I might add, talent is a misconception in itself. Arts are a craft that can be learned.
The whole bear/man in the woods thing was about feeling safe, not men’s artistic talent.
Would I feel uneasy or insecure about it if I was a guy? Probably. But anon fails to ask the important question. Why do women choose the bear, despite the dedicated, artistic, violent deeds of men for love?
I’ll leave this open, because I believe we won’t see eye to eye on this one.
Interesting you’d say that. So what does it tell you about who is favored as a group when female college graduates have been outpacing men since 1981?
Or that more single women own their own homes than single men do?
A strange patriarchy we live in…
Well Emmylou wrote the lyrics to it. And OMG it is a tearjerker so full of emotion.
I personally wouldn’t argue the main point (men are way more into the trappings of “romance” than women are) because that’s been my experience too. But there have been historical barriers to entry for women in the arts.
Kacey Muskgraves writes some sweet love songs (also more country like the other 2) .
Maybe cultural too, Spanish chanteuses sing a lot about love, more than I hear in other American pop music.
Literally anything by Violeta Parra. Lhasa de Sela is another favorite. You gotta break out of only English-language songs. (But also people are just giving you some basic-ass examples.)
OP doesn’t want to learn, just wants to confirm his preconceived notions. I’m actually pretty sure he’s the anon who composed the green text, and if not he wishes he had. Note his examples are not only exclusively English language but most are from the 80s or later.
Who are these people? Guy asked you for legendary and you went niche. There are plenty of talented women that have written and performed legendary songs that you could have chosen.
But I am sorry for defending him. He seems like an incel himself and kind of a dick.
Those are not songs, those are just names. And I’ve never heard of them before.