I wouldn’t see it as being right or wrong. Both white folks in the comic would benefit from a broadening of perspective is all.
The white guy doesn’t understand why a unique space is needed for women and gets an explanation.
The white lady doesn’t understand why a unique space is needed for black women and gets an explanation.
Anyone with a cursory understanding of history, particularly modern colonial history, where Europeans and their descendants actively dabbled in propoganda/a worldview that white = human and nonwhite = non/subhuman (culminating in Nazism) would understand this but our education system often avoids these difficult topics. Women were not able to hold credit up until the 70s and so their financial security depending entirely on their husband, depriving them of agency.
Unfortunately we can’t just flip a switch and make this history and its legacy disappear. I don’t blame the people portrayed in this comic. I blame inadequate education.
I believe it’s essentially the “Black Lives Matter” /“All Lives Matter” situation. Yes, we are striving for equality, but the movements are worded to highlight those who are most affected/disenfranchised by the status quo.
Woman gets it when she’s talking about the movement that applies specifically to her disenfranchisement, but not when she’s in the “out” group of a rights movement
I believe that is the point of the comic
But I disagree that these are comparable.
The all lives matter reaction was created by the far right and is coded in direct opposition of
Black lives matter as a movement which they want to destroy.
Feminism, masculism and equalism are each not good or bad but require balance.
The goal of Feminism is to advocate for women rights, freedom, respect and understanding. We need focused feminism because our world is unbalancedly scaled towards men.
The (intended?) goal of Masculism is the same goal as feminism but for men, we need much less of this because the world is unbalanced in male favor but we still need some people focused on it to combat against male sexism and abuse, which is more rare but equally not ok.
The goal of equalism is to support the above to try and bring balance, to be a voice of non traditional gender groups that do not fit the traditional focus, and to opposite radical versions, comon toxic masculinity or J K Rowling style Feminism.
Yes but I don’t think a proper equalist should make such a dumb statement, those are usually misogynists maskerading as equalist.
I consider myself an equalist and i have stated above exactly why i think feminism is important. To be an equalist in this time o history means to support feminism.
Feminists continue to lobby for priviledges in the west in aspects where they are already clearly ahead. They’ve stepped firmly into the side exceptionalism and supremacy.
Feminism is a very important tool in the fight for men’s liberation. We men have to realize that we have been manipulated into fighting against our own interests.
We have been told it is masculine to act individualistically, but it is in our best interests to act collectively.
We have been taught that it is masculine to hide our feelings, but it is in our interests to show them, so that others can understand our struggles.
We are taught as men it is weak to ask for help. But helping others makes all of us stronger.
To add to my other comment, the realideology where people literally believe the words “all lives matter” is actually antifascism. And as an antifascist I support BLM just as i would support a person of any other color that is the victim of racism of any kind of other human.
Right, but the phrase “all lives matter” is a racist response to the BLM movement. The simple fact that you have to explain that you’re not being racist when saying it shows this.
It’s just the nature of things. I can’t have a mustache because it only grows beneath my nose. Some asshole went and ruined that style for everyone.
The white woman is being hypocritical. She expects the guy to understand her particular case. She cannot use the same logic to understand the black women’s case.
The man is trying to paper over the issues that divide men and women, the same way the white woman is papering over the issues that divide white and black women.
That is why I keep slipping hotdogs in people’s apparel. I don’t want to be the bad guy. I want to be liked. But I am undeniably good at what I do, and if I can bring the world together through sheer force of terror then so be it.
Everyone will be faced with constant uncertainty whenever they reach into a pocket or a purse or a buttcrack. No one will be able to trust a friend, or a wife, or a child any longer. Why can’t I get hot water in my shower? I blocked the pipe with a hotdog. Why is the icecream machine at McDonald’s broke? I replaced the cream with hotdogs. Why are there chunks of graphene and other detritus on the roof? I replaced the control rods of reactor no4 with hotdogs.
I understand the comic is pointing out hypocrisy. But I also see it as illustrating how perspective can shift depending on where one stands, especially if one does not already have a clear understanding of what intersectionality is and can intellectualize it. Both the guy and the woman do not seem to be portrayed as evil people, just misguided.
The black woman still sees the same underlying point, and the white woman now feels “left out”. And perhaps she is next. In pops the Muslim woman.
Though this is clearly not the intended result, one must recognize that this is an underlying point of attack, an exploitable weakness. Bitterness can be created to break groups that otherwise have common interests apart, and without the overall coalition there is no power to enact change.
Ultimately, Black feminism is part of a broader feminist goal that is part of a broader humanist goal. We are together, we are aligned.
“Why do you have a label that excludes me?” scales up and to a virtually universal group and down to a specialized category with only three members.
It doesn’t really matter if you say that men are right to critique the label “feminism” or if you allow specialization all the way down to “Midwestern small city non-theater trans-male part-African part-Irish demisexual furry feminism”. Just so long as you’re fighting bigotry and applying your principles consistently.
(I much rather spend effort arguing that a man arguing against anti-masculine sexism is a cause worth supporting than bickering over whether or not his cause counts as “feminism”, even though I would casually include him in the label.)
I’m dumb, is the point the guy is wrong or that the white woman is wrong?
I wouldn’t see it as being right or wrong. Both white folks in the comic would benefit from a broadening of perspective is all.
The white guy doesn’t understand why a unique space is needed for women and gets an explanation.
The white lady doesn’t understand why a unique space is needed for black women and gets an explanation.
Anyone with a cursory understanding of history, particularly modern colonial history, where Europeans and their descendants actively dabbled in propoganda/a worldview that white = human and nonwhite = non/subhuman (culminating in Nazism) would understand this but our education system often avoids these difficult topics. Women were not able to hold credit up until the 70s and so their financial security depending entirely on their husband, depriving them of agency.
Unfortunately we can’t just flip a switch and make this history and its legacy disappear. I don’t blame the people portrayed in this comic. I blame inadequate education.
The white woman is being hypocritical in not applying intersectionality when it doesn’t affect her.
And the guy is wrong.
I’m still stupid, can you fix the multiple negatives so I can understand
ok. thank you.
I believe it’s essentially the “Black Lives Matter” /“All Lives Matter” situation. Yes, we are striving for equality, but the movements are worded to highlight those who are most affected/disenfranchised by the status quo.
Woman gets it when she’s talking about the movement that applies specifically to her disenfranchisement, but not when she’s in the “out” group of a rights movement
thank you.
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I believe that is the point of the comic But I disagree that these are comparable.
The all lives matter reaction was created by the far right and is coded in direct opposition of Black lives matter as a movement which they want to destroy.
Feminism, masculism and equalism are each not good or bad but require balance.
The goal of Feminism is to advocate for women rights, freedom, respect and understanding. We need focused feminism because our world is unbalancedly scaled towards men.
The (intended?) goal of Masculism is the same goal as feminism but for men, we need much less of this because the world is unbalanced in male favor but we still need some people focused on it to combat against male sexism and abuse, which is more rare but equally not ok.
The goal of equalism is to support the above to try and bring balance, to be a voice of non traditional gender groups that do not fit the traditional focus, and to opposite radical versions, comon toxic masculinity or J K Rowling style Feminism.
“Why is it called feminism, everyone should be treated equally,” is exactly the same as saying, “why is it black lives matter, all lives matter?”
It’s misrepresenting their goals by saying that people who fight for one aspect of an issue are saying that no other aspect of the issue matters.
Most people who support feminism believe that everyone should be treated equally, but one gender needs a lot more lifting up to get equality.
It’s the same for BLM.
Yes but I don’t think a proper equalist should make such a dumb statement, those are usually misogynists maskerading as equalist.
I consider myself an equalist and i have stated above exactly why i think feminism is important. To be an equalist in this time o history means to support feminism.
Feminists continue to lobby for priviledges in the west in aspects where they are already clearly ahead. They’ve stepped firmly into the side exceptionalism and supremacy.
Feminism is a very important tool in the fight for men’s liberation. We men have to realize that we have been manipulated into fighting against our own interests.
We have been told it is masculine to act individualistically, but it is in our best interests to act collectively.
We have been taught that it is masculine to hide our feelings, but it is in our interests to show them, so that others can understand our struggles.
We are taught as men it is weak to ask for help. But helping others makes all of us stronger.
Feminism is for men’s rights too.
not even true one bit.
It’s true in a few edge cases, but definitely not across the board.
No, we haven’t.
To add to my other comment, the
realideology where people literally believe the words “all lives matter” is actually antifascism. And as an antifascist I support BLM just as i would support a person of any other color that is the victim of racism of any kind of other human.Right, but the phrase “all lives matter” is a racist response to the BLM movement. The simple fact that you have to explain that you’re not being racist when saying it shows this.
It’s just the nature of things. I can’t have a mustache because it only grows beneath my nose. Some asshole went and ruined that style for everyone.
You mis understand me, i very much agree that “all lives matter” is a racist dog wistle.
I am saying that equalism gets invaded by toxic masculism while “antifa” does not because fascist feel to strong about it.
There for they had to invent “all lives matter” to be a racist copy of antifa/anarchism. Its thus not comparable to how equalism does get invaded.
ALL lives matter has never been anything but racist whites not wanting to lose thier power.
Are my comments really this confusing, i thought my point was pretty clear.
But to Summarize yet againW
Fake antifa is called “all lives matter”
Actual “all lives matter” is called antifa/anarchism.
There is no racist “balanced stance” for what equalism is about, so they invade the real one.
The white woman is being hypocritical. She expects the guy to understand her particular case. She cannot use the same logic to understand the black women’s case.
The man is trying to paper over the issues that divide men and women, the same way the white woman is papering over the issues that divide white and black women.
thank you
The point is that people generally have trouble seeing others’ struggles they themselves don’t face.
That is why I keep slipping hotdogs in people’s apparel. I don’t want to be the bad guy. I want to be liked. But I am undeniably good at what I do, and if I can bring the world together through sheer force of terror then so be it.
Everyone will be faced with constant uncertainty whenever they reach into a pocket or a purse or a buttcrack. No one will be able to trust a friend, or a wife, or a child any longer. Why can’t I get hot water in my shower? I blocked the pipe with a hotdog. Why is the icecream machine at McDonald’s broke? I replaced the cream with hotdogs. Why are there chunks of graphene and other detritus on the roof? I replaced the control rods of reactor no4 with hotdogs.
I am in your walls.
I understand the comic is pointing out hypocrisy. But I also see it as illustrating how perspective can shift depending on where one stands, especially if one does not already have a clear understanding of what intersectionality is and can intellectualize it. Both the guy and the woman do not seem to be portrayed as evil people, just misguided.
The black woman still sees the same underlying point, and the white woman now feels “left out”. And perhaps she is next. In pops the Muslim woman.
Though this is clearly not the intended result, one must recognize that this is an underlying point of attack, an exploitable weakness. Bitterness can be created to break groups that otherwise have common interests apart, and without the overall coalition there is no power to enact change.
Ultimately, Black feminism is part of a broader feminist goal that is part of a broader humanist goal. We are together, we are aligned.
Yeah I think your last paragraph is vital to this discussion. Black feminism takes nothing from feminism as a whole, while adding quite a bit.
What matters is consistency.
“Why do you have a label that excludes me?” scales up and to a virtually universal group and down to a specialized category with only three members.
It doesn’t really matter if you say that men are right to critique the label “feminism” or if you allow specialization all the way down to “Midwestern small city non-theater trans-male part-African part-Irish demisexual furry feminism”. Just so long as you’re fighting bigotry and applying your principles consistently.
(I much rather spend effort arguing that a man arguing against anti-masculine sexism is a cause worth supporting than bickering over whether or not his cause counts as “feminism”, even though I would casually include him in the label.)