It is very obvious when these cameras are pointed at you

Do you honestly believe, that all the people you have met in person, would be able to tell the difference between a glasshole with their VR glasses, and a random blind person wearing sunglasses? Sure, in this discussion it is a hyperbole, but people manage to cause these stupid mob mentality things every now and then. Like reddit, and misidentifying the Boston bomber. Or all the canceling, harassing and doxxing, that has ended up targeting someone innocent. Just the other day, I saw some post about a documentary or something, about how pedo hunters managed to murder some completely unrelated person.

Real life is not a movie, people get permanently disabled and even die from a single punch, even in stupid, drunken bar fights all the time. If a random person reads that comment about punching, and decides it is actually a good idea - do you think that one, is definitely one of those, who will be able to actually recognize the VR glasses? Inciting violence online, and managing to cause even a single moron, to assault and possibly kill innocent people, makes you responsible for that as well. If you think that is okay, you should think about your values, and what sort of a person you really want to be.

I do hope you can find some healthier outlet for your anger, than insulting randoms, and writing violent fantasies online.

Did you not read my, or the other posters, comments? You are missing the point we both made. Let me try again.

There are a lot of stupid people. Trying to get a lot of people to punch glassholes, will lead those stupid people to also punch people with VR glasses. Which then leads to stupid people actually punching people with glasses. But because they are stupid, they cannot tell which ones are wearing VR glasses, or that someone wearing VR glasses might have them as an accessibility device, and not as pervert glasses. So they will punch people who have glasses, that to them, look like VR glasses, but are not.
A lot of blind people wear sunglasses, that can look like VR glasses, in places people do not usually wear sunglasses. This means, getting a lot of stupid people, to punch people with glasses, will lead to a lot of innocent people - especially blind ones - not releated to glassholes in anyway, getting targeted and punched, just for existing in a public place. A lot of people punching random people indiscriminately for wearing glasses, because they hate glassholes, is an angry mob. Thus, that plan leads to an angry mob, punching a lot of innocent people.

Well, my country’s legislative bunch has already said, that mass surveilance is against our constitution. I doubt Finland is the only country in EU to have that, so even if it passes fully, it is going to have some big hurdles ahead.

If your version of preventing surveillance state depends on getting angry mobs to beat up innocents, you definitely need some better ideas and planning. And insulting random people on the internet, without offering anything valuable to the discussion, does not shine a good light on your character.

If someone has a problem with the general slimines, you can eat just oatmeal with milk (or substitute), and whatever dressings you like. It is quite tasty, if you add sugar, and some raisins. No need to soak or boil.

I agree. Punching glassholes sounds good in theory, but a lot of people are extremely stupid. Encouraging to do that, will practically lead to multiple blind people getting punched in the face, even if they are not even wearing VR glasses. I would rather have the pervert glasses wearing idiots walk around, than blind people having to not use their accessibility devices, or having to just stay away from public places in fear of being assaulted.

There has to be some better solution, be it just asking enthusiasticly “hey are those VR glasses? where did you get them?” or “excuse me, are you blind?”, before punching, or some better legislation, or something. Something that does not lead to morons punching blind people regularly.

Fanny used to be a name as well. It has fallen out of favor in English (I wonder why), but it is still used elsewhere. Its Finnish version, Fanni (pronounced more like “funny” with a longer n-sound), for example, even had a period of rediscovery in 2010-2019, when around thousand girls were named that.

They will quickly perish in those stupid bunkers anyway. They have no valuable practical skills, and are total assholes. Stuck in a small, closed system, with tons of ordinary people keeping the things running, and with their own greedy “loyal” lackeys… And if they leave the people out, they will die even faster, as things start to fail without skillful mainteinance.

It is a self-serving circle. People assign certain behaviors to Romani, refusing to take them as a part of the society. Then the Romani will act that way, since it is expected anyway, and there is barely chances to do otherwise. And the cycle has continued for a long time, creating a culture that is not only shunned by the society, but also sees itself not being a part of the society, so their actions reflect on that. Stopping the cycle is incredibly difficult, as the racism is ingraved deep. That does not mean, that it should not be the goal, though.

We follow the EU rules on that, as far as I know. And oh certainly, it is far from perfect; practically all animal products produced in big scale, are unethical, and I would not trust the organic labeling on plant products. But if you are going to buy eggs, even the EU bio criteria are significantly better, than having the chickens locked in tiny cages for their lives, or kept in huge indoor halls. The criteria, for example, also includes 4sq.m of outside space per chicken, and that they get to spend 1/3 their lives outside, whenever possible. Here the outdoor season is from May to October, I do not know does that differ in other EU countries. Is that great? No. But it is better, than the alternative requirements.

The Sims 2. I paid for all the extensions, so quickly calculated, something around 300€ in total, back then. But I’ve been playing it for twenty years. I do not know, how many thousand hours I have on it, so I cannot calculate the price per hour, but I think it is pretty low at this point. And still getting lower.

// The least I do not know, I do not play many other games.

I like that there’s genuine conversations here, much like this one.

I completely agree with this, and especially with comment sections. In reddit, even before the bots took over, every discussion was overrun really quickly, with a huge mass of people. If you failed to take part, in like an hour after posting, it did not matter if you commented, as it was either buried, or nobody else would comment as the post tanked. So it was just pointless to even write comments.

Here, I can still jump into comment sections, and manage to have a conversation, even if the post was made days ago.

Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.

Eehh… I put Mint on my old laptop, and it was like being stuck in a tar, even though it ran Windows 10 without problems. In the end I just switched it, to another distro, and now it works fine.

That is good to know, too!

No, they are not usually written, except people sometimes doing it casually in social media, but because our lettering system is almost fully phonetic, it is very easy to write and read them if you just speak finnish. Also if you are native speaker, you kind of learn the certain fluidity in the core of the language, so you can pretty much understand the words, even if they vary a lot (except people from Rauma, nobody understands them).

I really thought it would have been cracked by AI, because it can translate finnish pretty accurately (not always…) and if you can do that, dialects aren’t hard at all, but I was surprised to find that it still cannot! I am assuming it really is, just because there are not enough written sources to teach from.

//Oh, and as a summary my main points were, that AI most definitely has not “solved” learning and translating languages, as it yet cannot even translate a lot of things, and I guess also, that you cannot trust AI translations, if the text translated is some obscure language you do not know. They can sound convincing and form coherent sentences, but the meaning can be fully incorrect.

I was just at a networking/research technology conference in Helsinki (TNC26) where the topic of nordic languages— especially minority ones—being under-represented by current automated transcription/translation tools came up in one of the side talks I attended. There’s some effort by various European NRENs and universities to train models on these languages so those tools can be more widely available to students, academics, and the public. The talk was about “Scribe” by SUNET (Swedish Research Network) hosting whisper models for this purpose.

That should be especially good for things like the multiple sapmi languages! At least in finnish you can already write in the proper “book language” and get pretty accurate translations, even though the dialects still escape that.

Also, Finnish is fucking hard lol. I can usually pick up a bit of language wherever I travel, basic phrases usually. But DAMN trying to nail the epiglottal sounds of even “Hyvää yötä” threw me!

It is usually especially hard to learn for indo-european speakers, so it is not just you struggling! Haha :)

Actually lets break it down, so it is clearer what the accuracy was. I will not talk about the mistranslations, though.

• I have come to the same conclusion as the previous poster. DeepL identifies correctly I agree with them, but fails to pick up the nuance of it. Pretty good.

• I am indirectly taking part in mocking techbros for thinking AI has solved language learning. This is referencing the previous post, so DeepL could not know that without context. It somewhat picks up I am saying AI-stuff has not solved anything.

• It correctly picks up I learned something about language yesterday and that someone fails at it, but it fails to identify I am talking specifically about dialects and fails to clearly convey it is AI that fails. It translates correctly I mistakenly thought the previous thing was true.

• I am saying AI could not properly answer to talking in dialect, referencing indirectly I am talking in dialect in the message. DeepL picks up that I am saying something is failing, but does not convey anything else correctly.

• I’m telling Google was the worst at translating, and that I found that hilarious. DeepL fully fails to translate the meaning, but translates the word “shit” acceptably, and conveys correctly something is funny.

  So what was lost in translation?

• Talking in dialect, and AI failing to translate dialects properly - Core part of the message, so really bad, that it was about dialects, was not conveyed.

• I am laughing at Googles translation abilities being the worst - Fails to convey this completely. Not a core part of the message, but still relatively important information.

• Nuance about thinking before agreeing - Leaving that out does not matter in casual conversation. If this was translation for a more “proper” thing, this could be bad though.

• Mocking techbros - This required context that wasn’t offered.

Oh, that is good to know. Here organic includes the highest standards for chicken wellfare, since they have to be let out etc., compared to just freerange that has tiny floorspace requirements, inside.

Yes.

Yeah I’ve been thinking the same. The greatest thing about these is that those algorithms and whatnot haven’t really even solved anything. Just yesterday I learned that fake/artificial-smarts can’t even translate dialects correctly, even though I thought they could. If you talk something like this for a bit they weren’t really able to answer that! Google especially was giving out complete shit, but it was pretty funny to read and laugh.

If it was unclear, the point is: pick a random finn from the street and they can translate that pretty much from word to word, even if they are from a complete different dialect speaking area, whereas even at best AI could give you only something towards it. I can only use obscure things, like this as an example, as I do not speak that many other languages, but if the languages do not have much written record online, they are not going to be properly translatable. We are still surprisingly far from not needing human translators.

//And yes, Google was hilariously shit. I managed to make couple normal sentences, without even trying, that it just gave up completely and did not translate at all, only removed some random letters.

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work “solved”

Juu sammoo miäkkii uonny uatelna. Kaekkee hienoenta tämmöttiissä uonku eip nuo alakoritmit ja semmottet oekkeest uo mittee ees ratkassukkaa. Miä eilispäevänä justiinsa opinni etteep tekoviksut ossoo ees kunnolla murutehia kientöö, vaek kyl miä nii luulinni juu. Tämmöttii kup vähäsennii huastelloopi ni eip hyö siihe oekkee mittee osannukkaa virikata! Kuukkels tuo etteenki se suols aenaki iha pelekköö paskoo, ol ihap hauskoo kyl lukkoo ja naaraa.