• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    “We don’t need policies that will help people…we just need to win elections”, is literally why things suck so much.

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      4 days ago

      Having amazing policies does nothing to help actual people unless you can enact them. If you want to participate in electoral politics (as opposed to building working class power directly) then winning elections is one of the core components of that.

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        Democrats have an incredibly easy opportunity right now, just like in 2020 and 2024. They could simply point to all the bad stuff the Republicans have done and promise to do better things. The Dems should be winning by outstanding margins by promising very simple things, like not shooting immigrants or making groceries cheaper. Instead, the Dems promise nothing and as a result, what should be really easy races become down to the wire nail biters.

        The Democrat party simply needs to follow the playbook of the most successful Democrat in history, FDR. Promise progressive policies and then actively work towards those policies and you get elected so often they gotta change the rules to stop you from getting re-elected. We can see this with the most popular modern Dem president Obama. He did half the equation, promise progressive change, and even though he didn’t follow through, dude got elected twice and is still a household name in the Dem party. Clinton, Biden, and Kamala weren’t even willing to lie about enacting positive changes and Biden only won because Trump’s COVID policies killed over a million people. Even then, Biden won by a tiny margin when, again, he should have won by an incredible margin.

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          Dems don’t promise nothing, they promised to go to war and crush the progressives.

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      4 days ago

      You do understand how it works, right?

      If you don’t win the election, the other side does.

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        4 days ago

        … and even if you win, if a big chunk of the population doesn’t consider you legitimate, that is society slowly disintegrating

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      4 days ago

      You do understand that the majority of MAGA believe their policies help people?

      (yes, they only include people like themselves, but to have a properly nuanced understanding you should acknowledge that your political opponents believe themselves to be doing good)

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        You do understand that the majority of MAGA believe their policies help people?

        They believe it helps them, and that’s all they care about. Themselves. As far as “people” in general, they couldn’t give less of a shit.

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        4 days ago

        Sure. It’s fine to acknowledge that they think they’re helping people…but the real nuance comes from understanding that those policies actually aren’t helping people.