How do you know about the world. Through media. Most of your information is from media, not first hand experiences. Unfortunately for you, the media is full of stuff about the US and only occasionally maybe mentions Finland.
Itâs the same sort of disparity as there is with language.
You might as well be saying âyou havenât lived in an English-speaking country so you canât be fluent in English!â
I started reading English roughly 25-30 years ago. The point being that I was exposed to it ever since I was a kid. And I leaned into learning it. Most of the people in Finland do not have my language skills, albeit everyone has a basic level of English understanding. The same goes for the US.
Or how many States have you been in? All 50? Doubt it. A dozen? Or maybe just a handful of cities?
And you donât understand our medical systemâŠ
I understand your lack of education. Otherwise you might understand, after several times of repeating it, that I actually do know how about your country and itâs systems.
Aside from being bombarded with American news day and night everywhere, I actually go out of my way to watch news shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, but I can already hear you mocking about how âTV isnât real lifeâ, despite the fact that you get most of your news from it as well. Somehow itâs just iiiimpossible to understand shit like wounds getting treated with literally just sugar in federal prisons. Sure that was a random case but the episode about it gives context on why itâs a good example.
Hell, itâs completely possible that (aside from taxes paid) Iâve done more for the US than any random American I meet online. Just out of my age, so Iâve have been online for quite a while, and the amount of activism I do online. I used to be 9001 times more militant about American global policies and the drug war, but also against Trump ever since he first stood for president. And while you can dismiss online activity as âjust [whateverlameexcuse]â, thatâs how things progress. By people complaining.
And your meds⊠Depending on what you need, it could be hundreds of dollars a month, sometimes even with insurance. Without it, thereâs no upper limit, many drugs are in the thousands⊠Youâd have to jump through hoops with the drug companies and hope they give you enough of a discount
Do you genuinely think that this is the first Iâm hearing of drugs (and healthcare in general) being insanely expensive in the US? You genuinely think I wouldnât understand a meme about Americans avoiding taking an ambulance even when theyâre very much in need? You think Iâd just go⊠âI donât get the joke o.oâ?
And if you werenât, youâd be just as alone
You donât know me at all. I make friends extremely easily, alway have. The thing here is "you have NO IDEA* about Finnish culture, because the only time youâve been exposed to it is some random henchman in a movie where an action hero is going/coming from Russia. And they never even bother to get anyone who actually speaks Finnish, itâs always gibberish or extremely poorly pronounced. (Imagine a deep southern accent someone trying to read Chinese without understanding the tones at all and youâll get close to what it sounds like to us).
You donât understand that Iâve chosen to avoid the people who wonât stand up to injustice. And thatâs about the only criteria I have in adulthood. But for instance an American does not understand what it means to smoke weed in Finland.
Itâs essentially similar to being gay in an extremely conservative and religious small town. Youâll get treated as the worst cock-sucking crack whore just for saying âI donât think weed should be illegal.â And that is not an exaggeration Iâm pulling out of my arse. If you understood Finnish I could share phonecalls with medical professionals who basically say that smoking weed on the weekends is literally as bad as shooting up heroine. One refused to give me meds, saying âyouâll just sell these for drug moneyâ. One of the friends whom I grew up with, whom I have carried out of several parties, from one in a rolled up mat with him in the center, with his vomit all over. Like some sort of disgusting man-kebab.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I wouldâve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kids. And you donât understand it coming from a culture which so values individuality and individual achievement, but in Finland youâre not allowed to be better than others at basic education. I was literally held back because the others werenât as fast. I taught myself how to read (no joke) at the age of five. So at the age of 7 in first year the teacher put me in an empty classroom by myself, saying âsit here and readâ while others learned their letters.
Most Finns actively avoid people as sociable as me, but in the US Iâd probably be on the introverted side of the spectrum.
I say I would be dead or in prison, but I also could just be making it big, as I wouldâve definitely got a scholarship to a good school. I had a 9.3/10 (scale 4-10 4 is F 10 is A+) GPA when leaving basic education. What youâd call a straight A student. And I didnât even apply myself, because I didnât have to. I kept learning next yearâs shit from my older brothers books.
I could be in jail for weed. I could be in a state where itâs legal. Could be that I wouldâve been bakruptred, or could be Iâd be an ace surgeon. (Iâm not that interested in surgery tbh, but I was good at dissecting animals, our biology teacher said I was the first student in 20 years to extract a perchâs swimbladder without puncturing it and literally said âyouâd make a great surgeonâ. Couldnât chase that either as mom forced us to love move that year and had to remake all friends and none of the teachers knew me and it was a way shittier school.)
Anyway, youâre making assumptions which even I canât say about myself. The reason I say dead or in prison is because I wouldnât put up with the bullshit politics and wouldve either been tossed to jail for weed or activism or some such. But in the US , I wouldnât be alone with my sentiment. Thatâs why you so enshrine your rights. You actually have a sense of justice. Finns donât. Finns merely follow rules instead of ever considering how moral or necessary the rules even are.
You can go to a city in Finland during the night when no-one is around for miles, and people will stop at a pedestrian red light, even for intersections that are clearly clear for hundreds of feet.
And I say feet, because I understand feet as well, but I donât think you have as good a grasp on metric as I do for imperial units. Might be Iâm wrong. But seeing how little empathy you show, Iâm pretty sure Iâm not.
The why I do it is kinda simple. The idea of America, the American dream, or whatever, is â however subjectively â kind of a cool idea. Itâs a continuation of what the French started a few centuries ago, and it was going relatively well until somewhat recently. (Like, say, post 9-11.) And would you believe it I can remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11. I donât think you can say the same thing for anything that has ever happened to a Finnish person or relating to Finland.
But if you want hope, and to build political momentum, you have to convince people something better is possible. And perfect or not, the Nordic model exists
Yes, and the Nordic model isnât the fantasy you have in your head anymore than a Whopper actually looks like the ad pictures for it.
Iâm telling you you donât have an idea of the pathological avoidance pretty much built into Finnish society. Hell, itâs in the very language. We donât have gendered words or even gender-specific pronouns. And while we have a gender-neutral pronoun, we still often default to referring to people as âseâ, which translates as âitâ. Only really pets and formal situations does one use the proper third person pronoun âhĂ€nâ.
On a personal level, the best advice I can give you is to fight
Oh wow. What a revelation my man. Wow. Crazy that it never occurred to my. Wow. All I needed to do is âfightâ yeah, thatâll change the entire social fabric of Finland. Just like if you want, you can just get everyone to admit that the 2A is a garbage law only there to perpetuate the American military-industrial complex instead of having anything to do with actually having âa well regulated militiaâ in order to oppose tyranny. Youâre living under tyranny right now and aside from Luigi, I ainât seen no-one doing jack shit about it.
See how the language there sounded a little different? Thatâs because I actually know that despite learning in school that double negatives shouldnât be used, if one is emulating colloquial speech, one would or at least could employ double negatives as emphasis for a positive. Because again, I donât need to have lived in the US for that. Idk where you live or how much you travel, but you can probably do at least NY, Cali and deep south accents on a very stereotypical level. So can I. Itâs not exactly rocket science. And whilst you live closer to those places, unless youâve lived several years in each, youâre also mostly drawing on the media.
So I donât know why you keep pretending like your systems are some grand secret. Feels a bit like Americans who yell loudly (in English) abroad to make themselves âeasily understoodâ when literally everyone can speak English. (Yes, I did just use âliterallyâ as emphasis instead of itâs literal sense.)
The Finnish Supreme Court ruled that I was in the right and that the police limited my freedom of speech illegally when stopping me from filming them when they illegally entered my apartment. In the US, Iâd have made millions off that. Here I didnât even get a letter saying I won. Read it off the news.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I wouldâve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kid
Are you born rich? Because otherwise thatâs a fantasy. We are not a meritocracy, no matter how hard we pretend. It doesnât work that way
And I donât even know where to start with the rest of this⊠Iâm on my phone and canât clip you point by point
But you think youâd make it big? Of course you fucking wouldnât. No one does. Thatâs literally impossible. Even last one of our movie and music stars come from money. Every last one of them
Have you ever spoken to homeless people? I have. I make a point of doing it. Iâve slept alongside them, Iâve shared meals. Not through media, but through human connection. And theyâve both been insanely generous and tried to steal from me
Holy projection Batman, you havenât seen what Iâve seen, not through media, but first-hand.
Who the fuck has said anything about the US being a meritocracy? I havenât said Finland is authoritarian either. Iâve said itâs more authoritarian than it has been. Comparatively.
Just like in comparison to Finland, US is more meritocratic than Finland, despite not being a meritocracy per se.
The requirements are academic preparation (testing ahead in all subjects), emotional maturity and motivation. I got 3/3. When other kids were learning their ABCâs, I was browsing thick tomes of dictionaries, giggling at the funny (and magical seeming) Latin names for things. I didnât like being put into daycare even before going to school, and I was mature enough, so my mom (a trained social worker) left me alone in the house and came to check on me during lunch. I just sat and read. (Mostly comics, not always something to learn but for fun).
And for motivation? Well I had taught myself how to read. Answer I gave an independence day speech that was meant to be read by a sixth grader (the oldest class in lower basic education).
We donât have skipping grades. If we did, I definitely wouldâve been allowed to.
This is what I mean by you not understanding. You think you do, you want us to be on an equal footing. But weâre not.
MÀ voin vaihtaa kieltÀ ja sun pitÀÀ ottaa AI kÀyttöö et pystyt edes ymmÀrtÀmÀÀ mua. Mut silti luulet jotenkin et mÀ ymmÀrrÀn yhtÀ vÀhÀn sun yhteiskunnasta kun sÀ mun.
Just not true. The US is in the spotlight, has been since WWII at least, and unfortunately while the audience can see the person in the spotlight, the person in the spotlight canât see the dark audience from the bright lights. This is much like that. You think weâre just like a slightly different America. Weâre not. There are things you donât understand that you donât understand, and I donât know how to make you understand that.
So now youâre just pretending you werenât wrong at all.
You have skipping grades as a concept and practice with rules and laws.
We donât.
In the nicest way possible, I think you might have brain damage.
I do understand. Again, Iâm very well versed in what itâs like in America. Youâre still pretending as if most of your experiences arenât relayed by types of media. And that I somehow donât have access to this arcane knowledge about the US.
You could just as well be arguing that I just donât speak English because itâs not the language I first learned. I havenât lived in an English speaking country or ever even been in one for weeks, let alone years. Yet Iâm completely fluent. Hell, the last time I checked, some 10-15 years ago, I had a larger vocabulary than 52% of native speakers.
Yet you childishly keep insisting thereâs something I donât understand.
âNo no, you donât get it. America has expensive drugs, you havenât ever heard of how much we spend on drugs.â
âWe have homeless people!â
Yes, you also have a military-industrial complex, youâre fucking over your veterans, your cops are murderers, thereâs still tons of institutional racism, sexism, ableism, your leader is an ever-lying failure of a businessman whoâs going senile and is owned by Putler, two thirds of your population are obese, literacy is like 79%, you have the largest prison population in the world despite not being even close to having the most people, roughly 1% of your adult population is in prison, which too often are for-profit prisons which are the only way America is clinging to any sort of cheap labour blabalablablabla blabla bla i could go on for days. What exactly donât I understand? Your lack of empathy?
Honestly, depending on how old you are, Iâve could have been exposed to American news more than you, despite living in another country. That is if youâre like in your early twenties.
Do you remember where you were during 9/11? You never answered.
But you have no idea
Itâs you who keeps having no idea, despite constantly been proved wrong.
What is âwhole grade accelerationâ and why do you pretend the US doesnât have it?
My job used to be driving them around and my momâs a social worker, so yeah. I have. Believe it or not, there are homeless people in Finland despite us having less of them and us not letting them starve en-masse on the streets, but donât shit yourself that Finns think like that. We got libertarians as well, thanks to all the libertarian BS Murica has pushed. Iâve got into a fight with a guy because he literally honestly genuinely meant that homelessness is a choice.
You prolly know how untrue that is?
Of course you fucking wouldnât. No one does. Thatâs literally impossible.
Ah I see youâve gone with the same âusing âliterallyâ for emphasis instead of literally literallyâ tactic.
So thereâs no rich people in the US? Approximately 7-8.5% of Americans are literally literally millionaires, but âno-one makes it bigâ.
And you stand by that statement, instead of admitting itâs grotesque exaggeration?
Is it easier to win big if you get a âsmall loan of a million dollarsâ? Ofc it fucking is. Same shit works here. The dipshits who didnât understand jack shit in school but were born with gold spoons up their arses exist here just like in America.
Thereâs much more a roof against becoming rich through labour. That was my original point. Same shit workâs with schools. The reason I wasnât allowed to skip a class is because Iâm not allowed to make the rich kids parents feel bad for having a kid who isnât as cognitively gifted. Canât be that poor people succeed!
But yeah, I was actually born into the upper-middle class. Weâre one of the more known families from my town. Very central during early and mid 1900âs but then my grandpa died in the 90âs and dad drank everything then died himself.
Mom and dad broke up because of it. I ended up having to change schools several times as mom moved around. You know how itâs a meme parents want their kids to go to a good school? Well I was literally in one of the best schools in Finland and one of the best students there. Mom didnât give a second thought. Also Iâm one of four siblings, so that divided her attention.
I moved away from my momâs at 15. Wbu?
Most of your experiences are still through media, even when your most impactful ones were in-person. I donât think I ever even implied otherwise. Reading comprehension my man. I know US has low literacy but still.
Just like weâre mine. And if you think Finland doesnât have depraved drug abusers, I could write another 3 full comments showing how youâre wrong, but prolly easier for you to watch this trailer of a documentary Reindeerspotting â Pako Joulumaasta (Escape from Santaland) . And those kids are still very healthy when theyâre filming. Iâve known people like that after theyâve come out of prison. One of my neighbours was a murderer. Then someone stole a half a k of meth from the basement cellar storage I also had a key to. And he knew it. And was methed up.
But even he isnât the most depraved by miles.
Just because our druggies to hang out in the streets, you keep on insisting we donât have any.
Youâre literally just comparing and comparing, when I keep telling you you canât, because donât know anything about Finland. But I can compare them, because I know about Finland for living here, and I hear about the US because western media. You donât hear about Finland. Thatâs just what the facts are.
What the fuck do you mean you got a job driving homeless people around???
You donât understand how alien a concept that is for us. Do you put them on buses and ship them to other cities? We have a program like that
Do you take them shopping? To some sort of social service? To medical appointments?
And youâre like âoh, actually we have some homeless people too, just not as manyâ
Thatâs the whole damn point! I want us to have less homeless people, so Iâm looking at countries that have less homelessness! I didnât even consider a program to give them rides, but I can instantly see how that would be a good thing to have
You donât understand how alien a concept that is for us.
Youâre a textbook case of why people laugh at American stupidity.
You literally donât understand empathy and no matter what ridiculous, factually wrong bullshit you say, you just⊠pretend you didnât. You say things, I prove theyâre wrong, I show you how much better I understand than you.
How many books do you read a year? Have you ever read a singles Chomsky? Zizek?
Iâm guessing not.
SinÀ olet se jolta yyttyy pummareusta, jiksi soudut Google temÀn tÀkstin ja topaeivöissÀ tietit mietenkin jiksi siinÀ nei ÀytÀ jÀlevÀn orkea.
I took them drinking. Because theyâre homeless drunks. You simply donât understand a single thing about Finland, yet I have a much better grasp of the US than the average citizen. Hell, Iâm certain Iâd get more US States right on a map than an average American.
You know, since youâre brain damaged with lead almost to the point that the intellecttual divide between us is almost shorter than the divide between you and monkeys.
I didnât even consider
No, you didnât, because youâre an average American, and youâre actually 10 times dumber than you thinkâŠ
I also notice you didnât answer where you were at 911. Prolly because you werenât born. I have more experience of the US than you, lol.
And you keep proving that sentiment right, again and again and again and again.
Yes. I very much do.
How do you know about the world. Through media. Most of your information is from media, not first hand experiences. Unfortunately for you, the media is full of stuff about the US and only occasionally maybe mentions Finland.
Itâs the same sort of disparity as there is with language.
You might as well be saying âyou havenât lived in an English-speaking country so you canât be fluent in English!â
I started reading English roughly 25-30 years ago. The point being that I was exposed to it ever since I was a kid. And I leaned into learning it. Most of the people in Finland do not have my language skills, albeit everyone has a basic level of English understanding. The same goes for the US.
Or how many States have you been in? All 50? Doubt it. A dozen? Or maybe just a handful of cities?
I understand your lack of education. Otherwise you might understand, after several times of repeating it, that I actually do know how about your country and itâs systems.
Aside from being bombarded with American news day and night everywhere, I actually go out of my way to watch news shows like Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, but I can already hear you mocking about how âTV isnât real lifeâ, despite the fact that you get most of your news from it as well. Somehow itâs just iiiimpossible to understand shit like wounds getting treated with literally just sugar in federal prisons. Sure that was a random case but the episode about it gives context on why itâs a good example.
Hell, itâs completely possible that (aside from taxes paid) Iâve done more for the US than any random American I meet online. Just out of my age, so Iâve have been online for quite a while, and the amount of activism I do online. I used to be 9001 times more militant about American global policies and the drug war, but also against Trump ever since he first stood for president. And while you can dismiss online activity as âjust [whateverlameexcuse]â, thatâs how things progress. By people complaining.
Do you genuinely think that this is the first Iâm hearing of drugs (and healthcare in general) being insanely expensive in the US? You genuinely think I wouldnât understand a meme about Americans avoiding taking an ambulance even when theyâre very much in need? You think Iâd just go⊠âI donât get the joke o.oâ?
You donât know me at all. I make friends extremely easily, alway have. The thing here is "you have NO IDEA* about Finnish culture, because the only time youâve been exposed to it is some random henchman in a movie where an action hero is going/coming from Russia. And they never even bother to get anyone who actually speaks Finnish, itâs always gibberish or extremely poorly pronounced. (Imagine a deep southern accent someone trying to read Chinese without understanding the tones at all and youâll get close to what it sounds like to us).
You donât understand that Iâve chosen to avoid the people who wonât stand up to injustice. And thatâs about the only criteria I have in adulthood. But for instance an American does not understand what it means to smoke weed in Finland.
Itâs essentially similar to being gay in an extremely conservative and religious small town. Youâll get treated as the worst cock-sucking crack whore just for saying âI donât think weed should be illegal.â And that is not an exaggeration Iâm pulling out of my arse. If you understood Finnish I could share phonecalls with medical professionals who basically say that smoking weed on the weekends is literally as bad as shooting up heroine. One refused to give me meds, saying âyouâll just sell these for drug moneyâ. One of the friends whom I grew up with, whom I have carried out of several parties, from one in a rolled up mat with him in the center, with his vomit all over. Like some sort of disgusting man-kebab.
Also, if I had lived in the US, I wouldâve actually had the chance to do school at my speed. Which was way faster than the other kids. And you donât understand it coming from a culture which so values individuality and individual achievement, but in Finland youâre not allowed to be better than others at basic education. I was literally held back because the others werenât as fast. I taught myself how to read (no joke) at the age of five. So at the age of 7 in first year the teacher put me in an empty classroom by myself, saying âsit here and readâ while others learned their letters.
Most Finns actively avoid people as sociable as me, but in the US Iâd probably be on the introverted side of the spectrum.
I say I would be dead or in prison, but I also could just be making it big, as I wouldâve definitely got a scholarship to a good school. I had a 9.3/10 (scale 4-10 4 is F 10 is A+) GPA when leaving basic education. What youâd call a straight A student. And I didnât even apply myself, because I didnât have to. I kept learning next yearâs shit from my older brothers books.
I could be in jail for weed. I could be in a state where itâs legal. Could be that I wouldâve been bakruptred, or could be Iâd be an ace surgeon. (Iâm not that interested in surgery tbh, but I was good at dissecting animals, our biology teacher said I was the first student in 20 years to extract a perchâs swimbladder without puncturing it and literally said âyouâd make a great surgeonâ. Couldnât chase that either as mom forced us to love move that year and had to remake all friends and none of the teachers knew me and it was a way shittier school.)
Anyway, youâre making assumptions which even I canât say about myself. The reason I say dead or in prison is because I wouldnât put up with the bullshit politics and wouldve either been tossed to jail for weed or activism or some such. But in the US , I wouldnât be alone with my sentiment. Thatâs why you so enshrine your rights. You actually have a sense of justice. Finns donât. Finns merely follow rules instead of ever considering how moral or necessary the rules even are.
You can go to a city in Finland during the night when no-one is around for miles, and people will stop at a pedestrian red light, even for intersections that are clearly clear for hundreds of feet.
And I say feet, because I understand feet as well, but I donât think you have as good a grasp on metric as I do for imperial units. Might be Iâm wrong. But seeing how little empathy you show, Iâm pretty sure Iâm not.
The why I do it is kinda simple. The idea of America, the American dream, or whatever, is â however subjectively â kind of a cool idea. Itâs a continuation of what the French started a few centuries ago, and it was going relatively well until somewhat recently. (Like, say, post 9-11.) And would you believe it I can remember where I was and what I was doing on 9/11. I donât think you can say the same thing for anything that has ever happened to a Finnish person or relating to Finland.
Yes, and the Nordic model isnât the fantasy you have in your head anymore than a Whopper actually looks like the ad pictures for it.
Iâm telling you you donât have an idea of the pathological avoidance pretty much built into Finnish society. Hell, itâs in the very language. We donât have gendered words or even gender-specific pronouns. And while we have a gender-neutral pronoun, we still often default to referring to people as âseâ, which translates as âitâ. Only really pets and formal situations does one use the proper third person pronoun âhĂ€nâ.
Oh wow. What a revelation my man. Wow. Crazy that it never occurred to my. Wow. All I needed to do is âfightâ yeah, thatâll change the entire social fabric of Finland. Just like if you want, you can just get everyone to admit that the 2A is a garbage law only there to perpetuate the American military-industrial complex instead of having anything to do with actually having âa well regulated militiaâ in order to oppose tyranny. Youâre living under tyranny right now and aside from Luigi, I ainât seen no-one doing jack shit about it.
See how the language there sounded a little different? Thatâs because I actually know that despite learning in school that double negatives shouldnât be used, if one is emulating colloquial speech, one would or at least could employ double negatives as emphasis for a positive. Because again, I donât need to have lived in the US for that. Idk where you live or how much you travel, but you can probably do at least NY, Cali and deep south accents on a very stereotypical level. So can I. Itâs not exactly rocket science. And whilst you live closer to those places, unless youâve lived several years in each, youâre also mostly drawing on the media.
So I donât know why you keep pretending like your systems are some grand secret. Feels a bit like Americans who yell loudly (in English) abroad to make themselves âeasily understoodâ when literally everyone can speak English. (Yes, I did just use âliterallyâ as emphasis instead of itâs literal sense.)
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
The Finnish Supreme Court ruled that I was in the right and that the police limited my freedom of speech illegally when stopping me from filming them when they illegally entered my apartment. In the US, Iâd have made millions off that. Here I didnât even get a letter saying I won. Read it off the news.
Are you born rich? Because otherwise thatâs a fantasy. We are not a meritocracy, no matter how hard we pretend. It doesnât work that way
And I donât even know where to start with the rest of this⊠Iâm on my phone and canât clip you point by point
But you think youâd make it big? Of course you fucking wouldnât. No one does. Thatâs literally impossible. Even last one of our movie and music stars come from money. Every last one of them
Have you ever spoken to homeless people? I have. I make a point of doing it. Iâve slept alongside them, Iâve shared meals. Not through media, but through human connection. And theyâve both been insanely generous and tried to steal from me
Holy projection Batman, you havenât seen what Iâve seen, not through media, but first-hand.
Who the fuck has said anything about the US being a meritocracy? I havenât said Finland is authoritarian either. Iâve said itâs more authoritarian than it has been. Comparatively.
Just like in comparison to Finland, US is more meritocratic than Finland, despite not being a meritocracy per se.
You have a thing called whole grade acceleration or in plain English; âskipping a grade.â
The requirements are academic preparation (testing ahead in all subjects), emotional maturity and motivation. I got 3/3. When other kids were learning their ABCâs, I was browsing thick tomes of dictionaries, giggling at the funny (and magical seeming) Latin names for things. I didnât like being put into daycare even before going to school, and I was mature enough, so my mom (a trained social worker) left me alone in the house and came to check on me during lunch. I just sat and read. (Mostly comics, not always something to learn but for fun).
And for motivation? Well I had taught myself how to read. Answer I gave an independence day speech that was meant to be read by a sixth grader (the oldest class in lower basic education).
We donât have skipping grades. If we did, I definitely wouldâve been allowed to.
This is what I mean by you not understanding. You think you do, you want us to be on an equal footing. But weâre not.
MÀ voin vaihtaa kieltÀ ja sun pitÀÀ ottaa AI kÀyttöö et pystyt edes ymmÀrtÀmÀÀ mua. Mut silti luulet jotenkin et mÀ ymmÀrrÀn yhtÀ vÀhÀn sun yhteiskunnasta kun sÀ mun.
Just not true. The US is in the spotlight, has been since WWII at least, and unfortunately while the audience can see the person in the spotlight, the person in the spotlight canât see the dark audience from the bright lights. This is much like that. You think weâre just like a slightly different America. Weâre not. There are things you donât understand that you donât understand, and I donât know how to make you understand that.
Perhaps Rumsfeld will have better luck;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_unknown_unknowns
I donât know how to say this in a nicer way⊠You donât understand the society youâve never lived under, no one truly does
As far as outcomes and metrics, you live in a world I wished I lived in. I donât think itâs perfect, I agree itâs full of problems
But you really donât understand. Tens of millions are going to die over the next decade if we donât have radical change.
Iâm sorry you fell through the cracks. I really am. Itâs not right. But you have no idea how much worse it could be
So now youâre just pretending you werenât wrong at all.
You have skipping grades as a concept and practice with rules and laws.
We donât.
In the nicest way possible, I think you might have brain damage.
I do understand. Again, Iâm very well versed in what itâs like in America. Youâre still pretending as if most of your experiences arenât relayed by types of media. And that I somehow donât have access to this arcane knowledge about the US.
You could just as well be arguing that I just donât speak English because itâs not the language I first learned. I havenât lived in an English speaking country or ever even been in one for weeks, let alone years. Yet Iâm completely fluent. Hell, the last time I checked, some 10-15 years ago, I had a larger vocabulary than 52% of native speakers.
Yet you childishly keep insisting thereâs something I donât understand.
âNo no, you donât get it. America has expensive drugs, you havenât ever heard of how much we spend on drugs.â
âWe have homeless people!â
Yes, you also have a military-industrial complex, youâre fucking over your veterans, your cops are murderers, thereâs still tons of institutional racism, sexism, ableism, your leader is an ever-lying failure of a businessman whoâs going senile and is owned by Putler, two thirds of your population are obese, literacy is like 79%, you have the largest prison population in the world despite not being even close to having the most people, roughly 1% of your adult population is in prison, which too often are for-profit prisons which are the only way America is clinging to any sort of cheap labour blabalablablabla blabla bla i could go on for days. What exactly donât I understand? Your lack of empathy?
Honestly, depending on how old you are, Iâve could have been exposed to American news more than you, despite living in another country. That is if youâre like in your early twenties.
Do you remember where you were during 9/11? You never answered.
Itâs you who keeps having no idea, despite constantly been proved wrong.
What is âwhole grade accelerationâ and why do you pretend the US doesnât have it?
Have you ever spoken to homeless people?
My job used to be driving them around and my momâs a social worker, so yeah. I have. Believe it or not, there are homeless people in Finland despite us having less of them and us not letting them starve en-masse on the streets, but donât shit yourself that Finns think like that. We got libertarians as well, thanks to all the libertarian BS Murica has pushed. Iâve got into a fight with a guy because he literally honestly genuinely meant that homelessness is a choice.
You prolly know how untrue that is?
Ah I see youâve gone with the same âusing âliterallyâ for emphasis instead of literally literallyâ tactic.
So thereâs no rich people in the US? Approximately 7-8.5% of Americans are literally literally millionaires, but âno-one makes it bigâ.
And you stand by that statement, instead of admitting itâs grotesque exaggeration?
Is it easier to win big if you get a âsmall loan of a million dollarsâ? Ofc it fucking is. Same shit works here. The dipshits who didnât understand jack shit in school but were born with gold spoons up their arses exist here just like in America.
Thereâs much more a roof against becoming rich through labour. That was my original point. Same shit workâs with schools. The reason I wasnât allowed to skip a class is because Iâm not allowed to make the rich kids parents feel bad for having a kid who isnât as cognitively gifted. Canât be that poor people succeed!
But yeah, I was actually born into the upper-middle class. Weâre one of the more known families from my town. Very central during early and mid 1900âs but then my grandpa died in the 90âs and dad drank everything then died himself.
Mom and dad broke up because of it. I ended up having to change schools several times as mom moved around. You know how itâs a meme parents want their kids to go to a good school? Well I was literally in one of the best schools in Finland and one of the best students there. Mom didnât give a second thought. Also Iâm one of four siblings, so that divided her attention.
I moved away from my momâs at 15. Wbu?
Most of your experiences are still through media, even when your most impactful ones were in-person. I donât think I ever even implied otherwise. Reading comprehension my man. I know US has low literacy but still.
Just like weâre mine. And if you think Finland doesnât have depraved drug abusers, I could write another 3 full comments showing how youâre wrong, but prolly easier for you to watch this trailer of a documentary Reindeerspotting â Pako Joulumaasta (Escape from Santaland) . And those kids are still very healthy when theyâre filming. Iâve known people like that after theyâve come out of prison. One of my neighbours was a murderer. Then someone stole a half a k of meth from the basement cellar storage I also had a key to. And he knew it. And was methed up.
But even he isnât the most depraved by miles.
Just because our druggies to hang out in the streets, you keep on insisting we donât have any.
Youâre literally just comparing and comparing, when I keep telling you you canât, because donât know anything about Finland. But I can compare them, because I know about Finland for living here, and I hear about the US because western media. You donât hear about Finland. Thatâs just what the facts are.
This is why I keep saying you donât understand.
What the fuck do you mean you got a job driving homeless people around???
You donât understand how alien a concept that is for us. Do you put them on buses and ship them to other cities? We have a program like that
Do you take them shopping? To some sort of social service? To medical appointments?
And youâre like âoh, actually we have some homeless people too, just not as manyâ
Thatâs the whole damn point! I want us to have less homeless people, so Iâm looking at countries that have less homelessness! I didnât even consider a program to give them rides, but I can instantly see how that would be a good thing to have
Youâre a textbook case of why people laugh at American stupidity.
You literally donât understand empathy and no matter what ridiculous, factually wrong bullshit you say, you just⊠pretend you didnât. You say things, I prove theyâre wrong, I show you how much better I understand than you.
How many books do you read a year? Have you ever read a singles Chomsky? Zizek?
Iâm guessing not.
SinÀ olet se jolta yyttyy pummareusta, jiksi soudut Google temÀn tÀkstin ja topaeivöissÀ tietit mietenkin jiksi siinÀ nei ÀytÀ jÀlevÀn orkea.
I took them drinking. Because theyâre homeless drunks. You simply donât understand a single thing about Finland, yet I have a much better grasp of the US than the average citizen. Hell, Iâm certain Iâd get more US States right on a map than an average American.
You know, since youâre brain damaged with lead almost to the point that the intellecttual divide between us is almost shorter than the divide between you and monkeys.
No, you didnât, because youâre an average American, and youâre actually 10 times dumber than you thinkâŠ
I also notice you didnât answer where you were at 911. Prolly because you werenât born. I have more experience of the US than you, lol.
And you keep proving that sentiment right, again and again and again and again.