• Mr_Blott@feddit.uk
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    And those that still think fReE sPEECh is an acceptable concept in the modern world?

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      Free speech without consequences is what fascists are after. Free speech is an action to which they want no reaction or even worse when there is a negative reaction (also a desired goal) they will use that to attack the structures attempting to uphold peace.

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      Free speech is absolutely an acceptable concept, but it’s merely a restriction on government.

      Private platforms are free to drop you from their platform if they don’t like your speech, and you can be prosecuted if your speech violates a law (e.g. hate speech). Platforms can also restrict the types of speech allowed on their platforms. None of that is a violation of free speech.

      Free speech is only violated if governments place a restriction on the speech itself, or force private entities to enforce restrictions.

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        but it’s merely a restriction on government.

        It isn’t. Free speech is a right the gov can give you, but it’s also just a concept.

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              It’s not a strawman, it’s literally what you wrote.

              The Bill of Rights in the US only exists to prevent encroachment on individual rights, they’re not necessary in order for people to have them. Arguably, governments only have rights explicitly granted to them, because they only exist due to the people submitting themselves to them.

              It’s an important distinction, and one so many seem to misunderstand. I’m not saying you do, I’m merely clarifying in case someone else does.

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                And, in reality, the only rights that remain are those that have been fought for. “Inalienable rights, granted by the Creator” is a lovely concept, but it’s not self-enforcing, and as we’ve seen, rights can be effectively nullified by a corrupt Supreme Court and a fascist legislature and executive branch. OK, you can pretend they still exist in the abstract, but they’re de facto gone if state institutions or people power don’t defend them.

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                6 days ago

                It’s not a strawman, it’s literally what you wrote.

                You ignored the point I was making to argue about semantics. Still are. That’s a strawman.

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                    I stated my point very bluntly in the comment you replied to above. Freedom of speech is not “merely a restriction on government”. It is a concept that exists outside of government entirely. And it has everything to do with anywhere speech is expressed, including private platforms.