And by immigrants I really mean immigrants: you don’t have the nationality and live in the country = you’re an immigrant.

I keep reading about the plans of parties to kick out all immigrants, stop letting in any, and some parties even advocate to revoke dual-nationalities and kick those people out too. I’ve never really understood what the point of it is and have trouble imagining what the effects of such actions would be within the country.

  • atro_city@fedia.ioOP
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    25 days ago

    I’ve been told (verbatim):

    The lower classes are struggling because immigrants have lowered the accepted pay below minimum wage. They accept any job and are willing to accept worse working conditions because it’s better than what they know. The local population thus cannot compete. Once the immigrants are kicked out, low paying jobs will be forced to increase their wages and working conditions to make it palatable to the locals.

    It kind of makes sense, until you start asking questions like:

    • why would the wages go up?
    • why do you assume working conditions would get better?
    • if the wages went up, wouldn’t the prices go up and the lower classes still struggle?

    Then I just get “we’ll see, but first we have to get them out” at which point the discussion ends, because there’s no discussing when somebody’s changed their mind. I am curious though, maybe studies have been done on this? Maybe there are serious projects on the effects of banning immigration?

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    22 days ago

    Homogeneity of the in-group.

    There are people coming in, and they are different. Differences cause discomfort. There are two solutions to that. Accept them making the in-group more diverse, or gate keep and kick them out to keep the identity of the in-group.

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    24 days ago

    There are three parts to this answer.

    1. What the average supporter thinks.

    The Average supporter for this kind of rhetoric has built their whole life around believing that they are special just for being who they are. In America you have the south, where white people are special, they are the “salt of the earth” they have the “common sense answers” and if everybody would just listen to them, they would rule everything justly etc…

    And then that doesnt pan out, and they figure out that just being white and from the south doesnt make them the destined king of everything, and they need somebody to blame. Obviously its not their fault, they are perfect. Obviously its not the politicians who are telling them how special they are, those guys cant be wrong. It must be because X group is conspiring against them.

    So they want to punish X group for conspiring against them, and opressing them, for stopping them from taking their obviously deserved place of privilege and power.

    1. What the average supporter wants to believe they think

    The average supporter desperately wants to believe that they are so smart that they could never fall for populist propaganda. And they are such good people (good Christians), obviously its logical that x group is causing all these problems (remember, it cant possibly be the politicians telling them how special they are, those guys cant possibly be wrong).

    So it must be logical that the problem is that “those demonrats are wasting millions of my hard earned tax dollars to give medical care to illegals” and therefore they need to get rid of those “illegals” who are stealing all their hard earned money, and everything will be right with the world.

    They dont want to think they want to hurt anybody, they just think that if all those illegals who are taking all the jobs and all the money went somewhere else, everything would be better.

    1. What the average politician pushing this rhetoric thinks
      “I cant believe that I just have to pretend to be as racist as those rubes, and tell them how special they are and they will let me do anything”

    There isnt an end game, getting the power/money is the end game.

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    25 days ago

    To put in the words of my favorite 4chan post

    they think he can reopen the gypsum factory where daddy used to make $20 an hour, as if Bumfuck, USA could even work through their meth withdrawals long enough to fucking perform the job adequately.

    Basically they claim that think that if immigrants go then lower class workers will be compensated better. But this is a lie. They don’t actually believe this because they don’t want labor to ever be compensated better. The goal is just to get everyone’s consent in oppressing a minority because that gets people to overlook their own exploitation.

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    You have to draw a line between illegals, legal and asylum seekers.
    1st group: is just way of life. A country usually use these group as low class labor, they usually take up jobs what born citizens don’t want to.
    2nd group: oh boy they are way better than your average citizen. They go through so many hoops and loops to get the legal status that a born citizen don’t even think about. And they are brave as heck too. Fresh blood, new ideas and diversity - usually skilled / educated jobs.
    3rd group: they need help. They don’t want to be here. If things get better back home they will probably leave. Your country is doing the right things, they bring you new culture new blood.

    Immigration is good for the country. Look up what happened in the southern states when the government decided to stop all illegal and unregistered work on the fields. Spoiler: literal spoilage happened.

    Closing off a country is a very bad idea. Just look at some global history (Japan comes to my mind).
    And even North Korea is accepting some carefully selected new blood. Do you think they would do that if it is bad for them?

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    23 days ago

    The know they can’t eject all immigrants, but the terror, chaos and disenfranchisement will create a caste of second class “citizens” with no rights.

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    People with money think that the natural born working class will actually do all the jobs the immigrants did for the same low wages.

    Natural born working people think there are reasonably paying jobs they would actually want to do being taken up by immigrants that will suddenly become available to them.

    They are both laughably mistaken.

    BTW I am talking about voters here. Cynically manipulative politicians don’t need to believe anything, they say what is useful to them.

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      People with money think that the natural born working class will actually do all the jobs the immigrants did for the same low wages.

      Who do you think are paying the immigrants? Especially the ones not legally allowed to work?

      They absolutely know that this is cheap exploitable labor, and that someone not legally allowed to work are almost guaranteed not to report employers who break other laws.

      They want outrage against migrant laborers (regardless of visa status) because that makes migrant laborers want to keep their heads down and tolerate abuses.

      The wealthy absolutely know that domestic labor would be more expensive, it’s just hate against immigrants make migrant labor even more expensive.

      All ICE has to do if they want to get people working illegally, is hit up red state agriculture work, but they won’t because those employers are wealthy(ish) Republican voters.