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Didn’t not expect this post to turn into “how it’s made” about air fryers.
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And with the results of climate change going on, you don’t even need an airfryer anymore. Just a bucket of air will do the trick.
Just hold your chicken leg out the window for a few seconds.
Obligatory Technology Connections’ video.
Yes but can you afford anything to fry with this air?
“I was born in the wrong generation” says person who just discovered The Beatles or Led Zeppelin
Right? People find one cool thing about an Era and think Jim crow is acceptable
I think air frying technology isn’t so grand as a stable, functioning society.
Essentially we got fucked once Falwell figured out anti-abortion-access radicals will vote against their own interests. It didn’t hurt that white America really hates blacks.
Anyhow, that helped to get Reagan in to power and the economy turned K-shaped and never recovered, and at that point liberal democracy in the US was doomed.
Agree to disagree. A society would be fine, but I’ll take the air fryers.
We can fry shit with the air, so nice
Alps look ok!
Hannibal panting with excitement
The glass is half not boiled kinda guy
*air fried
20° where there used to be glaciers :|
They’re literally small convection ovens rebranded. They’re not magic.
Look up how microwaves work. Those are way, way fucking cooler. The way they generate the microwaves is cool as hell.
They’re closer to impingement ovens than convection ovens.
Convection ovens (or “fan forced ovens” in some countries) use a fan to gently and evenly circulate the hot air, whereas impingement ovens and air fryers use higher velocity fans to blow the heat directly onto the food.
So it’s an overkill blowdrier, got it.
Waaaaait. Does that mean I can dry my undies in it??
If that’s something you want, nobody can stop you.
… i don’t own an air fryer. Or any undies.
Then you can dry someone else’s undies in a third person’s air fryer
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Just saying it’s not new or miraculous technology 🤷🏼 it’s just a clever and convenient consumer product.
The better we can differentiate consumer trends and marketing from actual technological innovation, the better off we’ll be. cough AI cough
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Ah, you’re a marketing drone, that explains a lot.
I use AI often enough and it’s just a shiny turd for anything complex. Good thing it’s good at stealing art, so that’s a big boon for marketing people.
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AI is more of a drug than an innovation, IMPO.
lol, this was their comment before they deleted all their comments in this thread:
Lemmy: Al BAD. AM CONTRIBUTING TO THE CONVERSATION Left wing progressives are such bots they don’t even qualify as Al
What I said was a meaningful addition, IMO. It was related to the thread and added another perspective.
“I AM GIVEN REASONABLE ARGUMENTS AGAINST MY POINT AND I LASH OUT AND DELETE ALL MY COMMENTS”
lol. 🫶
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Alright but hang on, let me preheat the oven first
And a blow dryer is just overkill evaporation.
A more efficient and quicker small convection oven you can easily buy for 30 bucks and pop in a cupboard when you’re not using it.
The price really depends where you live, eg: where i live an air fryer can cost 20-40€ , a microwave is often on the 50€ price range
Same here.
Meanwhile a reliable full size oven can easily cost 1000$/€ and consumes much more energy. Not always cheap/easy to install either.
For people on a budget, who often live in a small/rented place, an air fryer’s a life saver. Plug it in, cook something, pop it away if you need some more space. Don’t even need a kitchen. Just use it next to an open window or vent.
A rice cooker is similarly useful. Cheap, but you can use it to cook far more than rice, keep stuff warm, and largely replace a stove top. Once again, often without the need for space or installation.
I feel like a plug in burner and a pot is better than a rice cooker
Microwaves are a prime example that if something’s cool doesn’t mean it’s good for it’s job.
Btw, the part of microwave that turns electricity into microwave is called magnetron. Freaking magnetron. I didn’t know real inventions could have names as cool as that.
Microwaves are amazing, but they’re best for liquids or things that can be stirred and don’t need to crisp up.
Things don’t need to be revolutionary to be life changing. Could I have used the convection oven for this one slice of pizza? Sure. Would I ever? Hell no.
But yeah, microwaves really are neat. We’re going to fling these electrons around in these very specific magnetic fields and out pops light you can’t see.
When I was working in repairs, we got orders sometimes to repair those microwaves. And the only thing that I learned is that if magnetron (coolest technology name in my opinion) died, then it similar to TVs with dead display — price of repair would be basically close to price of whole device.
Meh.
I have an old NEFF microwave. Fixing that involved popping in some new mica paper for a few bucks.
Microwaves are cool in theory but in practice the food is almost always soggy and mushy. Maybe I just don’t know how to use them, but I’m rarely happy with the result. Even reheating leftovers, I’d rather do in a saucepan
While I had to learn that Microwave ovens don’t magically work on the resonant frequency of water molecules, they do work by inciting motion in dipole molecules, and water with those little H atoms hanging off to one side is dipolar, so microwaves are rather good at heating them up. This means that you’re sort of working in the same realm of temperatures and humidity as steaming or even boiling, for good or (mostly) for ill.
Heating frozen food specifically engineered to come out okay from a microwave? Well, it’ll come out okay. Re-heating soup or re-steaming tamales (mmmmm. tamales…)? Pretty decent. Heating up anything that wasn’t meant to have “wetness” as a major part of its mouthfeel will go poorly, often disastrously if you don’t try to work around the microwave’s limitations.
Great for vegetables, IME.
I almost never use my microwave or oven because of the air frier.
Microwaves are cool, sure, but they have a completely different utility. If I want a small amount of food hot, it goes in the microwave. If I want a small amount of food crispy, it goes in the air fryer. If I want a large amount of food hot or crispy it goes in the oven, with convection on or off depending on the end goal.
If you want crispy, heat with the air fryer.
If want moist and hot, use a microwave.
Don’t cook soup in the air frier or toast in the microwave.
You’re allowed to mix and match your appliances a little bit, as a treat.
Microwave start to air fryer finish is leftover recover makeover.
Agreed. The only way to a decent baked potato in under 20 mins.
you know what would be a lot cooler? same thing not needing electricity (concentrated solar can get hot enough and heat can be stored in hot oil)
But it wasn’t sunny today and I wanted fries and don’t have space to store hot oil :(
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For a rain enjoyer, you sure like spreading pro sun propaganda
There would be no rain without sun
skill issue
That doesn’t sound right. But I don’t know enough about rain to dispute it…
You can store the heat in oil, but how do you transfer it into cooking oil? It’s not like you can store it directly in cooking oil since it breaks down with heat.
Heat exchanger? I’m still not sure it’s a great idea though
Yeah it has to be stored in heat-reststant heat transfer oil, that one won’t be edible. How to transfer that heat, like in every step before, using heat exchanger, like coiled pipe where that oil flows used as a hotplate or with air blown through it in air fryer
Just power it using solar panels?
concentrated solar heating gets you there using 1/4 of that space and allows for simple energy storage
“simple” storage of burning hot oil mmhm
yeah you put it in a barrel, pump hotter oil through coiled pipe, hot (storage) oil floats to top, when you draw heat through another coiled pipe cold oil falls to bottom. just put mineral wool around it. much cheaper than batteries
solar water heaters work the same way except they use water
So now to cook something I need:
- A solar collector
- Hot oil storage
- Heat exchanger (unless I’m deep frying I guess)
- Hot oil piping between collector, storage and cooking appliance
I’ll take the solar panels which I already have wiring for, are useful when there’s a surplus (because I can sell the electricity) and which also power my computer. Not that I have panels at the moment.
it works fine if you need lots of heat offgrid
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The first commercial convention oven was released in the 1940s. The first prototype of the general concept happened in the 1910s.
Even if you mean the modern household tabletop convenience version, the Nuwave convection oven was already an informercial staple by 2003.
When talking about air fryers, my husband once rightly pointed out that air fryers are just countertop convection ovens.
I walked over to him, held my index finger up to his lips, and whispered to him, “shhh. Air fryer. AIR FRYER.” 🤣
Yes. And I think it’s important to understand exactly what a convection oven actually is.
At its most basic, it’s an oven with a heating element and a fan that circulates hot air around the cooking chamber. That’s it. The circulating air improves heat transfer and helps food cook and brown more evenly.
Now, manufacturers have increasingly started calling a particular implementation of convection an “air fryer” and charging a premium for it, as though they’ve invented an entirely new cooking technology. They haven’t. Convection cooking has been around for decades.
An air fryer is essentially a compact, highly optimized convection oven: hot air is circulated rapidly around the food, usually with a basket or perforated tray that allows that air to contact more of the food’s surface.
So when you’re shopping for a range and you see one advertised as having an “Air Fry” function, don’t automatically assume you’re getting some revolutionary new appliance. In many cases, you’re paying extra for a marketing term applied to a convection system that has existed for generations.
Companies like Ninja charge premium for everything. Air fryers are stupid cheap otherwise, which makes sense for what they are (heating element, fan and a drawer).
Wouldn’t the presence of a fan turn them into a forced convection oven?
Yes.
Air fryers, and to a lesser extent fan ovens, use a fan to move the air rather than just using air convection currents.
To put it in perspective, that’s just over 100 years out of 4.5 billion the earth has existed. Or 300 million years or so complex life existed (that mostly wouldn’t be able to fathom the core concepts you’d need to know to even understand what having an air fryer means, where I’d consider “figured out that forest fires can contain more delicious food in some places (where intensity is high enough to cook plants and animals but not enough to turn them to charcoal)” to be pretty smart). Or several million that hominids have existed and using stone or better tools. Or several thousand since we figured out how to manage our food production rather than depend on always finding it. Or several hundred since we got much better at harnessing energy.
Also, I’d push back on a) the invention date being more relevant than the mass release date, and b) early convection ovens counting as “air fryers”, so that 100 years should probably also be reduced.
Wait until you find out about microwaves!
As I understand microwaves, they are essentially powered by magical runes we trap inside.
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Oh is that it? I always thought there was a little French guy that lived inside the compartment, and when you turn it on, it electrocuted him which caused his little tiny balls to boil inside and he screamed super loud but he was small enough that we couldn’t hear it, and the supersonic screaming agitated the food into being hot on an atomic level.
The first night I owned an air fryer, I tossed in some shitty frozen tater tots that had been in my freezer for way too long, and they came out so delightfully crispy that I cooked two more servings.
I realized immediately that this would be a problem. It’s a bit too easy to make delicious stuff that’s pretty bad for me. I nearly made myself sick of wings within like 2 weeks. That was a close one. Fuckin love wings.
I got rid of my home deep fryer for health reasons. It is dangerously easy, cheap, and quick to make quality fries…
But it’s also quick and cheap to make absurdly-delicious roasted veg.
My favorite: take a bag of frozen broccoli florets, mist it with some oil (it’ll harden on them), sprinkle with some salt and pepper and toss in it at 400 degrees F for like, 15 minutes. Halfway through I pull the basket and drain the accumulated water in the bottom to increase browning.
Delicious, crispy, I can devour an entire pound of broccoli that way in like 5 minutes.
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I haven’t used my oven at all since I got the air fryer.
Oven still gets the last laugh when you learn what air fryers are
And as he says in that video, air fryers are much better at making things crispy quickly
Turns out you don’t need such a huge amount of empty space for a lot of things and once you get rid of it, it works much better
Though the name is still stupid. There’s no frying going on
Yeah, but an oven heats up your whole house when turned on…
You should probably close the door then /j
An ez bake with a fan?
Literally just the old school stove top burner turned upside down with a fan on it, for the one I own.
They are good for quick small batch stuff, but way less efficient than modern fan oven for anything bigger. Once you run for long enough to mitigate heating the ovens larger thermal mass, oven always wins.
Weren’t we frying shit in the air with old cast iron stoves as well?
We probably did in old Mesopotamia with clay ovens or something.
And breathing in fly ash from the coal, which contains increased concentrations of uranium and thorium.
Compared to that an airfryer is a god send.
Is an airfryer just a small fan oven?
Its a small convection oven, that works more efficiency because the heating element is like an inch above the food, and heating a very tightly confined area, so intense temperatures can be more concentrated and easily achieved.
Yes, they’re countertop convection ovens.
