“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader said on Fox News Sunday.
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader said on Fox News Sunday.
Apparently this is a hot take: He’s right. Impeachment of Trump is performative at this point. Dems still don’t have the votes in the senate to convict and remove. Trump is a lame duck president with two years left. Even if he were removed, what then? President JD Vance? That’s a lateral move at best with how much he lies too. The only difference is that JD could legally run in 2028. And if he’s already president, it’ll be tougher to get rid of him, especially if he tones down some of the MAGA behavior. Suddenly people might think that he’s reasonable compared to Trump.
Morally, and even legally, impeachment is the right thing to do. Politically, a presidential impeachment is pointless. If they’re gonna do it, do it fast, get everyone’s votes on the record, and move on.
I don’t want democrat attention on impeaching Trump when we know it won’t accomplish anything. I want them focused on legislation and creating lasting change even if Trump vetoes every bill. Better yet, start writing and updating legislation to criminalize some of the crazy stuff we’ve seen.
Just collect the evidence, prepare criminal cases, and prosecute on January 6th 2029.
As for positions other than president, yes, impeach every last one of them and refuse to confirm replacements.
Impeach every ghoul around Trump first.
Bad take. Impeaching Trump reduces the amount of time he’s in charge/has the authority to direct people. Committing more and more illegal acts…
They MIGHT be able to get some Rs on board to do it too.
Impeaching trump does nothing to trump, only conviction has a direct impact. It may be possible to secure that conviction, but we don’t yet know what the GOP attitude will be going forward from here. Rep. Kiros said it quite well:
Bingo. Focus on trying to get legislation passed that will last long beyond Trump’s presidency. He may veto everything, but at least there’s genuine effort being made.
And here’s what I’m wondering - are any republican congresspeople who are up for reelection in 2028 gonna take the blue wave to heart and consider actually passing legislation to help people?
You misunderstand me. I mean to fully impeach.
What do you think they’ll be able to pass without a veto? Can’t veto impeachment.
I understood you.
If history is anything to go by, securing enough bipartisan support to override a veto will be far easier than getting 11-13 opposition senators to side with sanity in an impeachment trial. Overriding a veto will be no casual task, but while both seem unlikely, we won’t know how unlikely either option truly is until the GOP response flocculates…
And that’s the unfortunate situation, we just don’t know yet. And as much as I dislike it, I can’t quite bring myself to believe a pessimistic outlook on securing enough support to convict on impeachment is unwarranted.
So attempt to get MULTIPLE supermajorities to enact laws… Or get 1 supermajority to impeach/convict.
We don’t know, what we don’t know. Either of us could be correct, but I don’t think anyone really knows what’s going to happen.
Edit: it seemed like you didn’t understand me, because you specified conviction, not trying to be combative, just wanted to be on the same page
Yep, pretty much! Right now I agree with Kiros that focusing on impeachment as an immediate concern is likely to be a poor use of resources, as bipartisan support that hits or surpasses a supermajority for legislation is relatively common compared to the ouster of a president. But I am just guessing that that’s the most reasonable approach, as you say anyone could be right at the moment.
I’m just here to say that Today I Learned this word and I LOVE it:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flocculate
Impeaching him doesn’t do shit unless he’s convicted in The Senate, and they don’t have the votes for that.
Yes, I know. Next time I’ll be more specific.
They don’t have the votes to pass ANYTHING. So it’s either try to impeach/convict, so that they can maybe pass things (and remove him from further shenanigans).
I think removing him from committing further actions is paramount personally.
Other path, hope we can get a supermajority for literally everything else.
But my point is that even if you remove Trump, what exactly makes you think Vance will be more rational? Vance has no scruples about lying through is teeth to get what he wants, he has no issues with demonizing his political oponents. He has backed the party and talked their talking points every step of the way.
This isn’t like the first time when Pence was next in line. Someone who stood a chance of being reasonable. Someone who still had enough honor to certify the vote despite what Nacho Supreme cold him. Vance is a yes man, and if it isn’t Trump pulling his strings, it’ll be someone else like Steven Miller.
And you think Vance has the same support Trump had?
I think we have a better chance of harm reduction or even getting things done with Vance.
I think cultists gonna cult. They’ve been so brainwashed that all democrats are demons that they will vote republican no matter what even if you point to a democrat who has supported everything they care about…
But maybe you’re right - except for the fact that he won’t be removed by the senate. If they could find the votes, then absolutely they should
It reassures the Dem base that the party is working for them. The Dem base is weak right now and eroded across almost every demographic in the last presidential election. Running genocider racist idiot Biden and then his clone, Harris has a cost and it needs to be reconciled or we move forward with structural weakness. Harris lost for a reason.
He’s a professional politician in leadership of one of the most powerful bodies in the world, forgive me for expecting him to anticipate thia question and have a better answer. Maybe something like “affordability is our #1 priority but we also have to stop the criminal and corrupt behavior and hold people accountable. We will restore checks and balances”. But IDK. I am the opposite of a politician.
You are completely correct. This joker can’t even muster the minimum lip-service required to represent the people.
I just saw a headline today where he said he doesn’t support medicaid for all and a swear i was so mad a had an out of body experience.