• OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world
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    Remember when the Obama administration tried to ease off this silly non-sense with Cuba. That’s how you know this issue is living inside of Trump’s head.

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      That’s what showed us how powerful the Cuban-American caucus has become

      Obama tried to normalize relations, Florida has been red ever since

      Cuban-Americans want Cuba to collapse. It’s pretty evil

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        As a Cuban-American myself, I find it shameful that the Cuban diaspora wants Cuba to die under the pressure of American interests. They want Cuba to be another Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic: great for American tourists, absolute shit for locals.

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        They are so evil(their ancestors owned slaves and were exiled for it) that they join ICE so they can get rid of people in their own community. Fuck Gusanos. I hope they all get deported to a concentration camp once the white supremists are done with them.

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        So we should kill just under 4 million civilians then leave the country to warlords like we did in Iraq? Cuba is far from perfect but it doesn’t go around starting wars and is a tiny country. What’s with the obsession with it?

        Edit; somehow when I originally read that commit I thought it was advocating for attacking Cuba don’t know how lol

        • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip
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          What’s with the obsession with it?

          It’s a communist state. The one thing capitalist states absolutely CANNOT tolerate is a communist state succeeding and providing a proof of concept.

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            Communism is the evolved version of Socialism according to .ML.

            Cuba has not obtained any of the goals for Socialism therefore it is not Communist.

            Source: Communists.

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              Well you could just go to Cuba for the source. They know and proclaim, officially, that they are a socialist state still in revolutionary phase.

              Not communism.

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                An authoritarian dictatorship with socialistic policies isn’t socialism and it is definitely not Communist.

                The term as it is used makes no sense.

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                  The whole point of the last 70 years of war against Cuba has been to deprive and pressure them into collapse, and the authoritarianism, which I do not approve of or support, is an inevitable result of prolonged warfare.

                  The fact that they have survived as a nation-state with any sovereignty is highly impressive.

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                  Okay now you’re conflicting with yourself since you said according to .ml, which leans very heavily tankie. I’ve spent enough time in .ml comment sections to know huge swathes of them have zero problem with authoritarians so long as they’re on the right team. They’re the ones that, when someone else asked about authoritarianism in China, simply said that all states are authoritarian, which, to be fair, isn’t really wrong.

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                    Yeah, that the thing. Socialism is the withering state and Communism is the stateless version.

                    It is clear that Cuba is not a stateless society where the people control the means of production.

                    Saying Cuba is Communist is nonsensical. Even according to a Communist.

          • f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz
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            America can’t afford to care for its citizens, but it can afford 20 years of war, at one billion dollars per day, with the finale of handing the country back to the Taliban. 🤪

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          When Castro took over and seized the means of production, many wealthy property owners (of farms, refineries, etc., many closely affiliated with the US) fled to Florida. That was 1959-1963 or so. They remained bitter about it, and passed it on to their children. So, former Cubans in the US still hate the Cuban government. They want to see it fall. Not that they’d benefit from it.

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            Don’t forget they also owned slaves; their workers were slaves for the most part. And now their children are “slave catchers” in the US. Fuck Gusanos.

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          Obama was drone bombing people here in the middle east throughout his tenure. It’s bizarre reading Americans today with such rosy views of his foreign policy.

          During the Obama regime, the US killed people in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Uganda, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

          And there were several massacres of civilians during that time, such as the Kunduz hospital massacre in Afghanistan, the Al-Majala massacre in Yemen, the Al-Jadida massacre in Iraq, etc etc etc etc.

          From my perspective over here, Trump is just more of the same yankee bullshit.

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            You are correct, but Bush and Trump have been worse. Obama increased the transparency of the killings which is why the numbers look higher, but that wasn’t reported on very well and it was more obfuscated both before and after.

            To be clear, that doesn’t absolve him of his crimes.

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            Americans don’t like war, so when our government does horrifying war crimes in other counties, we try REALLY HARD to not think about it.