Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.
Furious Democrats are pushing “Squad” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) to primary Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) after he agreed to vote with Republicans to avoid a government shutdown, according to reports.
Fuck that…AOC and the rest of the progressives need to make their own party. The Ds are done.
As long as the US uses a first-past-the-post system, third parties will not be viable. The only REAL way to go forward is to take over the Democratic party and push it left. We’ll see how it goes…
The US has always had two parties, but it hasn’t always had the same two parties. Creating a new party that’s successful is entirely possible, if doing so completely destroys one of the existing parties in the process.
For example, the Whig Party emerged after the Federalist Party collapsed, and the Republican Party emerged after the Whig Party collapsed.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States
Democrats don’t have to field candidates if they’re so damned scared about splitting the vote. It’s not like they’re particularly interested in winning anyway.
Yeah, but they will anyway, because they’d rather split the vote than let progressives win. Dunno why you think that’s the case at every other point along the way but that they’ll just bow to higher goals when someone is much more explicitly trying to eat their lunch.
At least winning a primary means trying to split the vote will go against the normies feelings of fairness and “the team”.
For that, you have to win a primary. And we cannot trust what democrats hilariously call primaries, when they have them at all.
Why? AOC wins primaries, Omar wins primaries, Bernie wins primaries (for his senate seat). Unless you think they only cheat for the presidency, this “primaries are rigged” view seems like roughly the same level of conspiracy as the MAGAs.
What’s the conspiracy that’s so undefeatable it’s easier to build a new party from scratch that needs to overcome vote splitting in every election?
While it will be a problem I think right now it is worse to stick under the Democrat label. Right now the Democrats are a fascist-lite party which has only served to drag down real progressive candidates and stab the common man in the back in favor of status quo or for needless compromise. The Democratic Party is so deeply rotten that abandoning it is just the better option.
Edit: The Democratic Party is held up by its progressive wing, the progressives help maintain the party’s image of being left wing/centrist. Once the progressives leave the real nature of the party will cause it to collapse under its own failures.
This will not be the first time we have had one of the major parties fall in this nation. Like the Federalists, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs before it, it is time for a dying party to disintegrate. It is time for a new party which actually has to give a shit is formed.
You are high off your rocker if you legitimately think you have a better chance of winning as an independent (or whatever they want to call the new party) than a democrat right now. We are so woefully entrenched in a two party system that we need multiple elections cycles just for a third party to even get a foothold in people’s minds. I am very very in favor of additional parties and have always thought that the two party system is absolutely terrible for just about everything we wish a government to do but at this point I just don’t see it happening for quite some time, epecially with first past the polls voting.
John Adams was painfully accurate in his warning:
The whole letter is fantastic and incredibly salient today. But this sums it up decently.
No, quite the opposite: we need a whole bunch of non-fascist Democrats to spectacularly defect all at once, such that the public perceives the new party as having captured the initiative and momentum. The loss of that public mindshare and base of support would then cause the remaining dregs of the Democratic Party to collapse.
A third party is able to supplant and replace one of the two big parties even under FPTP.
they need to take over the party!
If they take over the party, you have to shoulder the responsibility of everything the parties done in the past. It’s easier to just start a new one, because I don’t fucking feel like a democrat anymore. I’m tired of calling myself a democrat. Because democrats are spineless feckless fucking morons that spend tens of millions of dollars after they lose an election to find out why, and then do absolutely fucking nothing with that information.
The sheer level of idiocy and hubris required to spend that kind of money to find out a way to fix a problem, and when you have that information do nothing with it is beyond anything the forefathers could have ever fucking dreamed of.
We need to take responsibility, because we broke democracy. The two party system doesn’t work anymore. I want out.
MAGA took over the Republican Party for a reason if the progressives were able to organize their way out of a paper bag they could do it themselves.
Well, join them.
That reason is that the GOP allowed them to. In 2016 the GOP held an extremely competitive primary and actively embraced MAGA as their new path to success, while the DNC decided to make sure a progressive doesn’t get the nomination again even at the cost of losing the election.
You guys need to get over the whole Bernie thing.
He didn’t win the primary.
Congratulations on your victory over the only people you’re interested in defeating.
The Democratic Party needs to get it through their thick skulls that the voters who make up the margin of victory do not vote in Democratic primaries.
A lot of the time they don’t vote in the general either.
They don’t vote in the general for a neoliberal.
There’s this consistent condescending assumption that the Democrats have that anybody who refuses to vote for a neoliberal would never vote for any possible Democratic candidate, and it just isn’t true.
But the reason Trump wanted to run against Sanders is because Trump would wipe the floor with him.
Yes, because the DNC did everything it could to mske sure he didn’t win the primary.
Remember Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Unfortunately, I do.
He was on every single ballot. Every one. I voted for him. He didn’t win, not because the DNC screwed him, but because THE VOTERS DIDN’T VOTE FOR HIM.
The delegates voted for Clinton.
Justice Dems as a separate party, not just a caucus, all of whom refuse to take corporate bribe money, would be amazing.