• u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    9·
    7 months ago

    As an Arch user, whatever suits you.

    I installed Arch on my ThinkPad because.............................................................................................. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh.................... I had an Arch sticker and I felt like I couldn’t use it if I didn’t use Arch.

    Everyone has some reasons for their favorite distro.

  • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
    7·
    7 months ago

    No FLOSS loving Linux user is dead to me, not even the GNOME project team, and frankly I suspect it’s noobies and non-users pushing these memes lately.

    • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      7 months ago

      I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever actually received or witnessed the hate that the memes espouse as the norm in the Linux community. I’ve seen some “oh really, I had trouble with that so I use blank instead” or maybe even “you should try blank” (mostly when people ask though). I think most of us are too busy hating Windows to really truly hate other linux distros. We have our favorites and we will happily share that with anyone that asks, and many that don’t.

      I’ve tried to stop talking about it all the time to friends and family as I don’t want to scare them off, but I am just using it everyday in front of them and showing them that I don’t have infinitely more problems than they do… Hoping it just seeps in via osmosis and at some point one too many “hey, you should buy a new computer, windows 10 is going end of life soon you know” pop-ups will set off that magical chain reaction.

      • zqps@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        7 months ago

        I met a friend of a friend at an event and somehow PCs and Linux came up. He asked if I’m a Linux user (which I like to think you can’t immediately tell). I assume to build some nerd cred. I said “yeah, I technically have Linux with me right now”. He asked what I meant, so I pulled out the Steam Deck. He was unfamiliar and I briefly explained.

        When he heard it’s a commercial product (obviously), he actually pretended to faint. And then kept acting as if I had personally insulted him, not in a joking way. I had clearly failed the purity test in that moment.

        It was a strange experience. Not even in hackerspaces I’d ever had a conversation like that. So these people are rare but they do exist.

        • TheMachineStops@discuss.tchncs.de
          4·
          7 months ago

          Steam Deck is one of them best things ever created. It is a great way to market Linux to masses, this is the same way Windows gained its market cap. Windows made its dominance by being the default operating system for most PCs, normal users don’t know how to install operating systems, and probably don’t even know Linux exists.

          • zqps@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            7 months ago

            Yeah. That kind of attitude is missing the forest for the trees. Open source gets better the more people use it, including the vast majority of casual users who don’t know or care about the GPL. Pretending that’s a problem is just gatekeeping to feel special and stroke your own ego.

        • AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          7 months ago

          honestly if I heard someone say “I technically have linux with me right now” I would expect them to pull out an Android phone and say that Android is based on the Linux kernel (it is, its just not what anyone means when they say ‘linux’, its a pretty good example of how ‘linux’ refers to the OS and not the kernel)

          • zqps@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            7 months ago

            Yeah fair. I expected to chat about how Linux could displace Windows on Desktop, to which SteamOS and Proton on an x86 chip is a lot more relevant than Android.

        • Crozekiel@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          Absolutely wild. Pretending to faint because a company sells hardware running on Linux? I feel like most of us want to be able to buy more computers that don’t just automatically come with Windows… That person sucks.

      • Naz@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 months ago

        Oh come on at some point, every software project or foundation needs to cover their expenses somehow or else they enshittify or cease to exist/get acquired by a dangerous, moneyed conglomerate. It’s known as the going concern principle.

        Out of all of the projects that I can think of in recent memory that started as big open source useful things, only VLC Media Player managed to avoid turning into garbage, and it’s because the lead developer is a saint.

        You can avoid Ubuntu because they have a paid plan and that’s your prerogative, but imagine they got bought out by Apple or something.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      0·
      7 months ago

      I don’t think I’ve seen this meme format before but it’s fucking hilarious. I love that kid’s stance while hitting the bowl, he’s ready for action.

  • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    5·
    7 months ago

    Linux distros are just the new “101 flavors of Protestantism,” complete with radical zealots who believe you will go to Hell for choosing the wrong one.

    • L3ft_F13ld!@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      4·
      7 months ago

      Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          2·
          6 months ago

          ❤️whish more people would understand that a good set up Arch does not need maintenance, just updates prior you turn your pc off.

          You could even automate that, like OpenSource TW is by default.

      • zqps@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        7 months ago

        When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn’t use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn’t update. Unfortunate.

        • bitwaba@lemmy.world
          2·
          7 months ago

          yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm).

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          1·
          6 months ago

          You gotta read what yay is telling you…

          🫣error come with a text for a reason!

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              1·
              6 months ago

              😆

              I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software 🤔

              • zqps@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                6 months ago

                No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension.

                Can we perhaps stop pretending that it’s the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back “hm yeah so there’s an issue, to fix it you’re gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system”, and it’s simply user error to be irritated by that in any way.

    • Overshoot2648@lemm.ee
      1·
      7 months ago

      I don’t use Arch because I don’t trust the AUR. I run ubuntu based distros on my desktop and servers for better compatibility with software and then use Fedora based software on my laptop and media center.

        • Nalivai@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 months ago

          And if so, I can’t for the life of me Invision how it’s harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives.

            • bitwaba@lemmy.world
              1·
              7 months ago

              That’s the real “difference” in the Linux camps right?

              Ubuntu N00bs - “what’s a terminal?” vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you’re in you know you can tell them “you need to enable the systemd service” or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation.

              • bruhduh@lemmy.world
                1·
                7 months ago

                If we want “the year of Linux” to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I’ve been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it’ll actually be usable to them, steamos is example

    • Petter1@lemm.ee
      1·
      6 months ago

      I’m too lazy to maintain a mint install, so it is endeavourOS for me.

      Just yay

    • JATth@lemmy.world
      11·
      7 months ago

      Arch maintenance: 0. Install it once. (The proper way)

      1. Every 2 weeks minimum pacman -Syu
      2. Every 3 months merge/update configs in /etc.

      I don’t get what is with this so hard? Yes, configs can be undecipherable but 90% time the merge involves just deleting the .pacnew versions.

      • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        7 months ago

        You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don’t have to do on Mint

        Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it’s some time past the year 2000?

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          11·
          6 months ago

          You don’t have to update mint 😮? Well, you don’t have to update Arch, neither

          • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things

            I don’t have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point

            • Petter1@lemm.ee
              11·
              6 months ago

              One can argue that “install Arch properly” includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings 🤔

      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
        1·
        7 months ago

        The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like… doing cool things on my computer. If that’s what you enjoy that’s great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I’ve used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there’s this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone’s desktop problems and it’s crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        7 months ago

        Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages… The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once.

        • JATth@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 months ago

          Well I meant two weeks is the longest period i can leave the system without updating and have no problems. And i have yet to break it with 300 pkgs updating at once.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            7 months ago

            I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn’t been on in months… I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine.

            Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space… I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting.

      • Aelis@lemm.ee
        1·
        7 months ago

        On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since.

        I’m so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything’s fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it’s almost useless)… I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general.

        It’s been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once…never even had to tinker with anything.

        I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago…even had freaking issues with Mint, it’s crazy.

  • comador @lemmy.world
    3·
    7 months ago

    As an old crusty Slackware user and UNIX admin, IDGAF what Linux distro people use; using any of them is a step in the right direction.

        • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          I just use Linux Mint Debian Edition for my study laptop, sounds pretty much the same - in over a year of use, I have literally never had a single problem with it (other than things directly caused by me like leftover fstab entries for testing). I know it’s what Debian is renowned for but god damn that is a stable operating system.

        • L3ft_F13ld!@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          0·
          7 months ago

          That’s fair. Personally, I use Debian for my little home server, but it’s not a desktop OS for me.

          Nice thing about linux is we don’t have to agree. We’re free to use whatever we want.

          • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            0·
            7 months ago

            You would be genuenly suprised how good of a desktop OS it is, granted the packaged are old but keep in mind you can use repo packages for stability and flatpak for up to date software

            • L3ft_F13ld!@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              I’m sure it’s perfecly fine as a desktop OS. It’s just not for me. I prefer more up to date software, so I recommend Mint to anyone asking, but use Endeavour (Arch, BTW) myself. I finally understand why people are always singing the praises of the AUR.

              Also, if I’m going to lean into Flatpak as a packaging system, I’m gonna use it as an excuse to properly try an immutable system and see how I get along with it.

              Now, all of this is purely my own opinion. Other people can use and like what suits them. I’m not trying to gatekeep or be an elitist. I’m an absolute noob myself.

  • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
    1·
    7 months ago

    I love it. This made me laugh.

    But, as this month’s chair of the of the Linux User Group for Letting Everyone Know We Hate Snaps (LUG LEKWHS), I want to clarify that we don’t have a problem with Ubuntu users.

    It’s Canonical we have a beef with.

  • Zeon@lemmy.world
    1·
    7 months ago

    Meh, I mean, Arch includes non-free software as well, so as a Trisquel user, you are all dead to me.