Can’t win capitalism? Fret not, everything is national security and we can throw the rules of capitalism out the window :)
And then the west is surprised at the confused look of the global south when Ursula and Biden mention “Rules based order”…
Nobody really cares about the rules. While I don’t like capitalism, unfortunately it also starts a new era of imperialism, where the strong ruthlessly conquers the weak, see Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, and China-Taiwan.
One of those is not like the others…
You’re totally right, China isn’t actively sending missiles to Taiwan yet
China is state capitalism. Capitalism isn’t losing. The West is losing because China is using state funds to buy up successful Western companies, and as their new owner, has the ability to force them to do China’s bidding.
Meanwhile the West is completely barred from buying a majority stake in any successful Chinese company and even if it could would not be taking it over on behalf of serving the state.
The problem is China plays by its own rules and those rules are heavily stacked against every other nation. That was fine when they were making junk for Walmart; it’s not so fine when it’s highly sophisticated electronics and software (that can do whatever China wants it to in the West) … and to add insult to injury it’s often based on stolen Western technology (since us idiots decided to put the factories that manufacturer the designs there).
I mean it’s not like China was open and allowed competition from western companies.
But it us kind of insulting when America did incredible violence to the global south to get them to open their markets only throw it all out the window.
Americans are blind. They think their capitalism is also not state funded. The only difference is that in China corporations are owned by the state, and in the USA the state is owned by corporations. “It’s not fair” yeah, obviously it isn’t, the USA has been imperialistic and monopolistic over the entire global south for the past 7 decades, nobody wants to be playing with your bullshit rules anymore. The “free market” is heavily stacked in their favor, and always will be. Case in point? BRICS are about to move away from the dollar, and the USA immediately goes ballistic saying it will impose tariffs and sanctions and whatnot if we dare challenge their authority. Where’s the free market in that? Where’s the free market when your 2nd in command has said before that the USA will invade and coup whatever country they feel like it in order to get resources? Yeah, we’re not playing your stupid free market game anymore, it’s rigged. And yes, China is part of the global south, they have been so since they were oppressed and enslaved and explored by the global north for decades, they just did a good job of turning around. I wish my country had done as good of a job…
While China is considered part of the global south, its economy is so massive and it is so influential globally it really shouldn’t be.
Edit: Also in China’s case, that was the UK, not the US.
That’s horrible. I should Google for more information so I can avoid using companies involved with the military.
Aint we got tea companies that make war machines here?
Such as?
One famous example is Corning which mostly does kitchenware and then also huge military contracts for military equipment. But then of course every single US company takes on military contracts from Ford making engines to Singer making sewing machines and guidance systems during cold war lol
So OP is absolutely right. American companies will dip into everything that makes money which is really not a problem tbh and that’s how capitalism is intended to function just a bit funny given that one company makes kitchenware and bullet proof glass for mil vehicles.
hence why this article is not a big deal or dig at China in any way lmao
Why does everything need to be whataboutism’d to America. Yes we also have companies that work with our military, who gives a fuck? This article is simply pointing out that a big Chinese company with ties to lots of social media (Reddit for example) is also mil adjacent.
It’s just a fact, not commentary on China that then makes the US hypocritical.
Why are you making whataboutist comments unrelated to the article? Every fucking country has companies that work with their military, that’s not what the article is about.
I’m just pointing it out bro, nothing more bro, just mentioning it bro, nothing wrong with constantly running negative stories about China bro, not manufacturing anything bro.
I don’t know which company you’re referring to, but I think it’s pretty damn likely that China also classifies them as a military company too. Shit, most western companies are banned in China.
I fail to see the hypocrisy that you appear to be implying.
They gonna force a sale of League of Legends now?
Tencent owns 11% of Reddit…
And? 11% isn’t full ownership like the thing I said.
More likely they would leave the market. That game isn’t really popular in NA but it’s the most popular non-mobile game in Asia
LoL isn’t popular in NA anymore?
Never was that popular
COD and Fortnite are much bigger with the latter even making sports radio talk
The popularity spike was when MLG needed to fill in the Halo Reach spot due to that game’s lack of appeal
What? League is consistently the top result of twitch. Even accounting for other regions, league is by far one of the largest games people watch in na. Big na streamers pull in thousands of viewers (doublelift, tyler1 for example)
Lol pretty much every American company should be added to a similar list given how deep they are in the pockets of CIA, etc
Cool whataboutism, this article is about a Chinese company and China, not about America or its mil companies.
It’s not like it’s an insult to say Tencent is involved with the Chinese military, why are you so defensive? Do you think you’re sharing unknown info? I think we’re all quite aware of the US MIC.
Do you seriously believe China and every other country doesn’t keep similar lists already? This is basic ass shit.
Every time anything about China is posted someone like you comes running to tell us all “b-b-but America too!!!” as if that changes a damn thing in regards to the discussion topic at hand.
Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism. Whataboutism is when you bring up a separate topic as a criticism to distract from the original topic. For example, if you make fun of my cooking and I bring up your drawing skills in response, that’s whataboutism. If you suck at cooking and yet bring up me sucking at cooking, that’s just pointing fingers and trying to paint that as a negative for someone else when you possess the same deficiency.
Imo whataboutism is not even a real thing.
That’s just a dumb label made up for use against ussr it was just never intended to be used against US lol. But pointing out that ur opponent has ulterior motives is properly legalTrue, and maybe I’m playing a losing game by arguing within that context, but I did want to point out that even under those conditions the “logical fallacy” doesn’t fit.
Weird. I can’t see the .ml after your name. Must be a Lemmy bug.
Gosh I feel like I’ve heard Tencent has a stake in some other company that isn’t mentioned here yet.
what was it . . . hmmmmm
I’m really not sure which one you mean, because they own interest in a ton of companies.
Tik Tok is what they’re referring to
I was thinking of reddit
Tik Tok is the only tencent company I know if that’s been labeled a national security risk.
They also have a stake in all these companies…
Legaue of legends
Epic games
Ubisoft
From soft
Activision blizzard
WeChat
Does this mean league of legends is a weapon
I mean it installs a rootkit on your computer that gives them full control over everything including what you type, hear, and see as well as the ability to record what you’ve previously typed and said. It could at any moment also fully disable your computer (as well as millions of other computers) rendering them useless.
Just because they haven’t used it that way, don’t assume they can’t or won’t.
Do they send this data over the network? Or is the data only used by the software installed on the machine?
They can do whatever they want. Operating systems are effectively divided into two partitions, privileged kernel space and user space.
When you run a kernel level anticheat what you’re really doing is running a custom program in the kernel space. It effectively becomes part of Windows.
This means that anything that an operating system can instruct hardware to do, that program can do. It can read your files, check your email, print letter you wrote to your crush in Word but “deleted” because it was embarrassing, log every key you type, turn on your webcam, listen to the microphone, download explicit or illegal imagery, upload your hard drive to the NSA, disable your computer fans, etc
You really only want to run this stuff if it’s from a trustworthy vendor and even then it’s completely defensible to object to running one of these programs.
Currently these things have yet to be caught doing any of these things, but that’s because they haven’t been instructed to, not because they can’t.
Microsoft are going to significantly limit what can run in the kernel (including anti cheat) after the Crowdstrike issue. A side-effect of that should (hopefully) be better Linux compatibility.
We have a puppet coming into the presidency. China will have all the inroads to our government they care to pay for. Tencent and Co. will be a non-issue.
As opposed to all of our previous presidents, who refused to be bought by corporate corruption? LoL.
Why is the list not just every Chinese company? do they not know how state capitalism works?
They do not.
Yeah they do. Fascism is state capitalism. They plan to replicate China.
Calling Tencent a “web and gaming giant” is really deceiving here.
It’s one of the biggest tech conglomerates in the world. Tencent invest into literally everything: games, social networks, entertainments, cloud computing, finance, AI, other investments… Tencent owns WeChat, Tencent Cloud, Tencent Healthcare just to name a few and helps CCP with surveilance and censorship through these ownings (tbf they don’t really have a choice, they’re based in China)
100% they are involved in military too so this classification is very much justified.
