Instead of leaving Xitter, they left Mastodon. Proton’s trend is not inspiring confidence and this feels like another step backwards.
One shitty CEO can destroy a company the same way one shitty president can destroy a country.
every time I hear anything about this shit company, I keep thinking it’s valve’s linux compatibility thingy and I get real confused about why people are hating on it.
The lesser company needs to change their name or add a descriptor. Proton Woken? Proton SaaS? Proton Supreme? Proton x GOP? Protonaz…
I was using proton pass but I would like to move on. Is there a good open source password manager that is secure and hosted locally?
Vaultwarden is the opensourced version of Bitwarden. One of the employees of Bitwarden is allowed to maintain it in their own time
Bitwarden premium is crazy cheap anyway. I have proton in limited and still get bitwarden premium.
+1 to Vaultwarden! I’ve been self-hosting it for the family and it works great.
I use KeePassX. there are android, linux and macos clients. i sync them between devices securely using Mega
keepass plus syncthing works well for me. I sync between linux, android, windows.
Depends on what you mean by “good”. I use KeePass. Works for me. Open source and free.
Same. You can sync your database however you want so it’s totally under your control.
Another L by Proton. Why would they even say it and just stop posting silently.
Even if you agree with Proton’s positions it’s clear that Andy is just tanking the company’s image with such rookie leadership mistakes.
Incredibly incompetence which makes you wonder how competent the actual code running everything is?
Honestly I would be fine if they just setup some kind of mirror so their posts would show up across different platforms. The biggest issue with then not using mastodon is just not being informed of what is going on. They don’t need to engage with people on mastodon just setup some kind of bridge.
Everyone doing social media posts to multiple networks from a single app. This is a BS excuse from Proton. Very disappointing.
Yup, no sorry. Only bots left in reddit, have fun!
I’m so disappointed Proton. So sad, but maybe you already live long eniugh to become evil? Time to move on, aah so bad…It was so great piece of software and so great company in this hell capitalist world.
due to limited ressources
Is it that hard to post the same thing on various social media? Maybe it is, I wouldn’t know. But that sounds like a shitty excuse.
It looks like they’re not up to date on X tho, hopefully they drop that shit. And they’re on Bluesky, which, if not Mastodon, is a little bit better I guess.
I really don’t get the hidden idea behind leaving Mastodon.
They are still on Bluesky, but they are not active anymore.
Their last post if from 14 days ago, not sure how often they usually post tho
They post most days on X: https://xcancel.com/ProtonPrivacy
I only use their Drive, I need a privacy focused alternative with a browser version in case I can’t convince my family to download an app, any recommendations?
Filen.io is decent. Client is open source and storage is locally encrypted. They claim to use zero knowledge tech on their end.
Additionally, look into rclone to upload and automatically encrypt data to cloud providers. This way, cloud providers can’t access your data regardless.
disroot.org maybe
I really dislike these commercial “private” solutions to surveilance issues we have but people always seem to prefer them because of strong marketing around.
I mean, I don’t have access to a personal international VPN array. For that kind of service, you pretty much have to get a commercial product.
What ashame, I thought the CEO should be poked in the eye with a blunt stick for his Trump support but I would’ve kept with Proton if the business and his personal views were kept seperate
It appears this is no longer the case, at least proton provides a lot of decent services I don’t mind abusing for free now.
Not that they’ll care but I bought for two years but will find something else when that runs out.
Nothing of value has been lost
no…
Honest, stupid question: Why exactly is this such a big deal to so many of you? (I don’t use Mastodon.)
Proton recently got shot in the foot when one of their board members said some stuff that made it sound like he was somehow not certain that fascists are bad for privacy. The guy responded and clarified and made some good points…and still very clearly did not realize or did not feel it important to mention or even imply that fascists are very definitely bad for privacy. This is still post-record-scratch for Proton.
So leaving what’s basically the only social media of the future, such as it is, and sticking it out in the garbage heaps, makes two data points that make a line that goes in the direction of “definitely going to enshittify”. It’s possible this could be wrong, because two data points isn’t huge, but these are also things that were extremely easy to get right, and require an oddly large amount of effort to fuck up like they have.
Thanks for the reply! I was only aware of the CEO’s X comments regarding Trump’s politics. I JUST moved away from Google and have been quite happy with Proton, especially Mail and Pass.
To me, the federated social network (Fediverse, which Mastodon is one portal into) offers some distinct advantages for pluralism. No single entity can control the whole discourse. When you don’t agree with your mods, you can go elsewhere without losing your connections with people: just move to a different instance.
Furthermore it’s not controlled by corporations, so there is no incentive of trying to spread things like the plague just to get you addicted and make as much money.
In practice the design of the Fediverse leaves some problems open (notably, moving between servers comes at a cost to the online identity you built, and getting bootstrapped if you don’t have real-life connections who are interested is more difficult) and it even creates some interesting problems of its own. But all in all it’s better already than the mono-idea, “there is one norm everyone should stick to” culture we see on commercial offerings.
I’m a proton user but I’m out of the loop. Please paste link or give me the tl/dr?
Whoo boy. The Proton CEO posted a deeply troubling remark praising trump and republicans as the champions of the little guy, and lambasted democrats for being in the pocket of big tech. This, understandably, seemed rather… icky to a great many people, who dislike the idea of the service they trust for privacy kissing the ring of the Fascist in Chief/Putin’s Towelboy/Elon’s Hamberder Carrier. This might have been more palatable if it was made clear that Proton itself does NOT endorse the policies of Melon Husk’s puppet administration and the MAGAt Horde, and that the original post was made by the CEO in his capacity as a private citizen, and not as the CEO of Proton.
So when, in the face of backlash from the federated community, Proton decided to just leave the fediverse, rather than clarify its position, but stay on Reddit & the Xitter, using the half-baked excuse of “it’s too expensive for us to cross-post on this completely free system”, people, understandably, took this to indicate that Proton, previously one of the most trusted privacy companies, may not be as independent as its swiss headquarters leads one to believe.
Hugely disappointing! Can’t believe in a single thing!
Here’s one archive reddit thread proton responded with that has since been edited to remove the comment.
There’s also a medium article from a random user that keeps being reposted to defend him. https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
But, it leaves out that Gail Slater left the FTC to became vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association which is a lobbying group for companies like Google, Amazon, eBay, and Facebook.
The Internet Association—a trade group for big technology companies such as Google, Facebook, and Amazon—spent nearly $176,000 to lobby the California legislature last quarter, according to the Washington Post. It is now running misleading ads on social media asking Sacramento lawmakers to weaken the law.
The group claims that surveillance-based advertising technology, which slurps up and broadly spreads consumers’ personal data without their knowledge, should be exempted from the CCPA. In truth, surveillance-based adtech is one of the worst privacy hazards that the law was designed to stop. It also provides little benefit to online publishers, and erodes trust between companies and their consumers.
Which is a pretty big omission if the argument the founder/CEO made hinges on trying to make people believe Gail Slater having been on the FTC means she fights for little tech.
