He should have really fucked with Trump and pardoned anyone not yet convicted for any federal crimes committed since 2016.
its crazy this is necessary.
So the executive can pardon crimes in advance in case the next executive might decide to criminally persecute people, even though they probably never did anything criminal to begin with? But despite the fact, that the next executive can just arbitrarily convict people criminally, they would respect that preemptive pardon?
America, this is not how division of power and state of law works. Heck the Sovjet Union under Stalin probably made more effort to appear as a state of law.
No, the executive CANNOT arbitrarily convict anyone. In fact, the whole grand/petite jury system exists specifically because we assume that the administration might be a petty tyrannical jerk.
The key feature of American federalism isn’t the polite myth that is “rule of law”. No country is,since the laws are all dependent on people to carry them out. Instead,it’s “separation of power”.
Trump is going to do terrible and shameful things, as Biden did terrible and shameful things, but the ultimate check on his would-be tyranny will be the greed and pride of the Republicans in Congress and on the court.
So what you’re saying is we are absolutely fucked
It’s the inevitable outcome of identity politics. “You are asking me to change who I am” can only, will only and has always ended in violence and hatred. Bad faith actors inflame the situation and cry persecution because politics = belief once you’ve let the holy spirit get in bed with politicians. Just more bad actors.
If actions cannot have consequences then it’s chaos and you need to burn it all down.
Matches are no longer for sale in The United States
We are very aware of this. Unless and until the worker/pleb class can get its shit together and stop fighting a stupid culture war to focus on the class war, this is just gonna get worse.
Yes, the president can pardon people who haven’t yet been charged with a crime.
This isn’t new, for example Carter pardoned all draft dodgers regardless of whether they had yet been charged.
America. Trying to emulate every aspect of the game Monopoly.
I guess other chance cards are next since the “get of jail free” card is implemented…
The fact that this was a good idea is humiliating.
Jesus, fuck this guy. Does he think if trump decides to go after any of these people a preemptive pardon will do shit?
Maybe you should have done more while you were president to stop the fascists, starting with finding an AG with an actual spine. Imagine the prosecutor version of Lina Khan running DoJ for the last four years.
I mean obviously the problem with republicans and trump trampling our rights is biden and the democrats. its just common sense. /s
how do you pardon people if there are no charges presented against someone, that by itself shouldnt be legal.
Blame Ford, he started it when he issued pardons for any previously-committed but uncharged crimes done by Nixon.
I just dont think that it is how the law is written to work, if I can forgive you for crimes not yet noted, then why not the other way around and charge you for crimes not actually done (read: thought crime).
You are pardoned for an activity, not a particular charge.
If it were the other way around, then prosecutors would simply refile the case with different charges.
It’s never actually been constitutionally challenged.
Yeah, this is exactly the point here everyone. The pardons work because nobody has asked anyone if these blanket pardons are indeed legit.
So we can all sit here and try to mince the logic of such, but the real answer is that it exists in a superposition of legal and not legal until the various courts rule upon it.
The SCOTUS has already answered your question:
The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.
Which is because they didnt wanna smear the office of the president, and they control the DOJ. We should just move that to a 6 year cycle election. But even then its not like election are by an informed people to start so I guess this is just fucking another thing that we can be like we are fucked on.
I guess because the outcomes are unaffected.
Either they did the crime, and the pardon is doing what it was designed to do. Or they didn’t and it’s not having any effect.
In this case, I imagine the pardons are “witch-hunt for revenge” immunity, given what’s possibly coming down the pipe.
oh I am 100% sure, but on the other hand the ‘news’ could claim ‘look Fiuci was guilty of making covid to start, they had to pardon him’
That’s true.
But they could also do that without evidence sadly. The really sad part is that people would believe them either way
