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ironic how the gooner one isnt the one with the foot
KDE got around to updating the theme Kpersonalizer.
Original for those who don’t remember what it was like:
Jokes aside: I love KDE. Gnome is an idea that would work if you could actually do anything with it (maybe always adding extensions means they should you know make it functional).
Amateurs
These are only the safe ones, you coward!
On other news, KDE works, and Gnome doesnt; so that koncludes it for me
What
Huh?
You can’t conclude without DE!
Don’t forget the OG KDE mascot Kandalf
But he’s not that popular.
Yes we can!
Yes we kan!
Are we sure that Gnome is the most popular? I would’ve expected KDE to be the most popular one, even not considering the mascots.
It’s the most popular because it’s Ubuntu’s default which happens to still be the “default linux distro”. Many GNOME users probably don’t even know what GNOME or a DE in general is (and that’s ok).
If you ask linux nerds, however, KDE generally seems more popular but that’s probably because people who care about this sort of thing tend to value customization and KDE’s philosophy more than GNOME’s.
Source: I use KDE on Arch BTW, guess which category I fall on.
The steam deck might make KDE the most popular
No way to get reliable numbers without telemetry but KDE’s userbase is a lot louder for sure.
All three major enterprise distros use GNOME, none of them officially support KDE.
I think so too. GNOME famously doesn’t prioritize customisation, which despite lots of angry complaints, still doesn’t intend to change. That’s because they already have a solid user base, a silent group that couldn’t care less about customisation and gaming features, and mostly want it to “just work”.
Think the Linux Torvalds type of person, using a workstation distro. Best thing GNOME can do is to minimize changes that break user’s workflows and make sure the defaults are good.
The side effect is that they turn off their corporate machines after work and that’s it for the day. They aren’t going on forums to defend GNOME vs KDE arguments.
Gnome is the most popular DE for Fedora. Though KDE is popular enough to finally get Fedora to place it equally alongside their Gnome ISO. But I would bet Gnome has at least a slim lead ahead of all DEs.
TBF it’s likely the most popular because it’s the default not necessarily because it is better than KDE (or worse, they’re both good just aimed at different people)
With the fall of Ubuntu maybe yeah
Quick, someone make a mascot for KATE!
Also KDE supports window decorations under Wayland, and also a lot better IMHO.
Kate actually does have a mascot, Kate the Cyber Woodpecker
Wow, she actually looks cool!
Nice, but still no furry porn of her…
krita is right there, grab a pen
Hmmm… Don’t tempt me.
Though it would be funny if I was responsible for applying Rule 35 to a second character…
I can also try my own shot at it, I’ll see if I can draw something of her without getting distracted by other projects of mine. Haven’t drawn anything furry/kemono related yet, but will get the cloaca treatment as I gave to the two bird VTubers (Nanashi Mumei, Dokibird) I have drawn.
Well, she’s bird. I’ve seen too many Avali already to get freaked by a cloaca.
Meanwhile in chat…
jkh2rt;,5,??
Is this brainrot or am i just basic?
it’s pornography
XFCE: including it in the meme is bloat
Why not Konclusion?
Did the Gnome people ever figure out how to put icons on the desktop yet?
Jesus it was pissing me off since 2017. I left Gnome in favor of KDE in 2019 You’re telling me you still can’t make a shortcut like a human being???
What’s a desktop? Is that like a big dmenu or something?
There’s an extension that lets you do that. Once a week it breaks and makes icons appear over other windows.
That sums up my experience with Ubuntu Gnome.
Icons on the desktop is a non-feature for most gnome users. Even my Windows desktop has been empty since XP released. If you really want desktop icons then using an extension for that should be fine, but it’s silly to frame this as a failing of the “Gnome people” just because Gnome doesn’t replicate the classic Windows desktop experience.
Then why have a desktop? Why not just an app drawer or always ready terminal?
Seems like the worst of both worlds in terms of utilitarianism and aesthetics.
I think that’s why it launches with the app menu open by default.
For all intents and purposes I don’t have a desktop. It’s just a wallpaper and canvas for the actual workflow. The app drawer is one keypress away, as is the terminal (and I prefer to have separate sessions for different tasks anyway). I usually see my desktop for about five seconds after bootup per day so there’s not much reason to put anything else there. Think of it like the wallpaper or black background of a tiling window manager. I really don’t get how this is such a crazy idea to some people. I’ve subconsciously used the exact same workflow since before Gnome even implemented it, just without explicit support from my desktop environment.
That’s the beauty of KDE: you can make it pretty much anything you like and customize it: desktop icons or not, using the app menu or krunner, a mix of all, etc.
I have kde, but also don’t use desktop icons
Icons on the desktop is a non-feature for most gnome users
Yeah because everyone who uses them is on KDE now.
Probably, yeah? I mean I’d hope they’re not still using Gnome if desktop icons are their one wish in life…
I have icons on my desktop, icons in my taskbar, and of course the menu. taskbar, always there, one click, boom! second tier apps, desktop, less used stuff, open menu.
I use KDE BTW
Whatever floats your boat. I’m using my keyboard probably 90% of the time and hitting super and typing in one to three letters followed by enter is the fastest way for me to navigate to pretty much anything including system settings and documents. Finding stuff on a desktop with more than a dozen icons is annoying to me. I move windows and switch focus with the standard keyboard shortcuts etc. It’s a familiar workflow for tiling WM users and works that way out of the box, yet Gnome has been catching shit for it since v3. It used to be the disgruntled Gnome 2 userbase but nowadays it seems to be mostly people who don’t use Gnome at all lol.
I love it, the three finger swipe gestures for laptops are golden too
Own configuration of window manager wins.
Is it really most popular?
It’s not more stable than plasma surely, at least when user does any customization.
Simplicity is questionable, unless simple means ‘unlearn everything and do it our way’.
Gnome is more stable in my experience. The base Gnome without any extensions is rock solid and just works without a hitch. Problem is that it’s bland as hell and not very practical. Most of the popular extensions to make the DE are also pretty solid and reliable, as gnome’s extension API doesn’t really allow them to break anything in any spectacular way. Plasma allows better and more powerful extensions, but they also tend to have a bigger effect on the DE’s stability.
That said, I fucking hate how Gnome devs handle the extension API. Every update to Gnome disables all the extensions even if there’s no breaking changes that would cause them to stop working. You gotta either manually edit their manifest files to trick Gnome into thinking they’ve been updated to the latest DE version, or you gotta wait for the devs to update. Every now and then they do release a breaking change that does break things too, and things get annoying. I used to maintain a relatively popular-ish, very simple Gnome extension. But eventually I got sick and abandoned because nobody’s got time to deal with Gnome’s extension API. I had to rewrite some basic shit for no good reason one too many times.
Ignore all the words. Gnome users live in an alternate reality.
For a long time it was. KDE kind of exploded themselves back around version 4. GNOME made huge inroads while the KDE Dev team’s got their shit sorted. Main DE to the flagship general user distribution etc. It’s just a fact. And not gonna lie I still have fond memories of GNOME 2.
But the KDE team really put their time in and cooked. It isn’t perfect. But the over all polish shows. Not to mention its been snowballing lately. I have my whole family on plasma 6 right now. It’s familiar as it needs to be, stable and mostly intuitive. It’s just so good. In fact my only gripe right now is a niche Wayland issue and not DE related.
I just randomly tried KDE recently and made the swap from Linux Mint to Kubuntu a week ago. Definitely agree on the polish factor, everything just feels great with KDE and I’ve been pretty happy
The recent evolution is great and I’ve been a happy KDE user for many years, but my oh my is NetworkManager bad. It’s not good on all systems that use it under the hood, but I find it especially unintuitive and so outdated. The applet thing is fine (still suffers from weird behaviour from NM’s core), but actual settings screen drives me crazy… The Bluetooth one should also receive some love, but it’s decent. NM needs serious revision.
Yes. There’s definitely some UX jank in there. I saw something the other day at least about a new unified UX framework to replace the multiple ones they have now. Which hopefully should lead to much more consistency across applications and hopefully some updates and rewrites that will be better.
Meh, plasma was stable enough by 4.4 (when I’ve switched from gnome 2), there were some problems, but gnome 3 released about that time wasn’t any better. I’m not sure about popularity of gnome, it was repeated a lot but personally I’ve met one person to this day that used vanilla gnome 3/4/5/50 not representative of course but it’s just weird that supposedly everyone is running it yet among the category of people that linux is most popular with it doesn’t show.
Gnome lost a lot of popularity with Gnome shell, and for good reason. Gnome made the same mistake Microsoft did with Windows 8, which was also universally hated. By the same mistake I mean they changed EVERYTHING!
What a surprise that a DE created by a Microsoft fan does the same mistakes than Microsoft.
And unlike Windows, they didn’t backtrack on it. Instead, they doubled down and said, “You’ll use your computer our way, and you’ll like it!”
IMO, the whole interface is a mess. It’s designed as if it’s supposed to be a tablet/moblie first DE, but the actual tablet/mobile features (like on-screen keyboard) are kind of crap. Everything about it seems to be designed with aesthetics first, functionality last.
they doubled down and said, “You’ll use your computer our way, and you’ll like it!”
I think that’s a dumb way of looking at it, because you’re not forced to use GNOME on Linux. Just because tiling window managers exist, or scrolling ones, and some even more specific ones (like gamescope, which doesn’t even display multiple windows), doesn’t mean they’re trying to force you to use your computer their way.
Having diverse options is good, it doesn’t lock you into doing things a specific way, it gives you more options of how things work. The only thing that sucks is that they made the change as an update, so previous users might be excluded, but even then it’s opensource, the developers can (and should) change the software to fit their vision, and if you don’t like it you can fork it (which people have done with gnome).
Sure. But the first few releases unfortunately weren’t. And you gotta be conscious of projecting your experiences onto others. I mean I sure do lol. Techy people don’t mind experimenting and putting in a bit of work. But the normie’s do. For nearly a decade Ubuntu and GNOME was what was recommended/used.
Oh sure, there’s kubuntu which isn’t their flagship or similarly supported. So you would run into edge cases and lack of polish on the distro side. There was so much inertia for a while most major distros flagship was GNOME out of the box. Even if KDE, Mate, Budgie, or Cinnamon were avalible from repos or community maintained forks. Your vanilla user was always going to go with the defaults.
I didn’t like it and haven’t touched gnome in years and Ubuntu even longer. But I’m definitely not a Normy.
Ah, right, Ubuntu uses gnome
I’m still stuck with unity in my head, because their gnome got modified to look that way - at least it was quite a few years ago, when I used it somewhereI also thought, that currently KDE is more popular
It’s picking up steam and could easily go that way. The GNOME team with their inflexibility is pushing many away. They even got pop to start their own DE. Because they were tired of writing addons that would break every few releases.
What do you mean, the workflow for opening programs and arranging windows is the same as in Windows
It really isn’t. Starting from only having a close button on every window, windows behaving differently, not having a panel with currently running programs, etc.
I mean yeah there are windows and you can interact with them, but that’s where similarities end.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
yea, gnome is “more popular”. doesn’t mean it’s “better”, just that it’s the default environment for some of the most widely-used distributions.
But not SteamOS which has the numbers on its side. Not that Gnome is unpopular but Steam Deck single-handedly pulled in millions of users who at least occasionally switch from game mode to desktop mode (=Plasma) to install emulators and stuff.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
I’m not sure there are more Steam OS installs than RHEL/SUSE/Ubuntu installs.
Of course not, if you phrase it like that. According to your phrasing non-desktop container setups also count but they don’t.
Distributions like Ubuntu also ship Plasma. The preconfigured disk image is called Kubuntu but that’s still Ubuntu and counts as that in Steam’s surveys which I consider the most reliable source of what actual GUI Linux users actually use.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container and Gnome is flagship for all three of those enterprise flavors.
Couple things there are many computer users that don’t play games like for example me.
And in which credible statistic are those?
Enterprise Linux is not the same as a container
Of course not but you didn’t specifically say desktop-only Ubuntu/… installs and Ubuntu is still very popular in containers that never see any desktop. Ubuntu also ships Plasma, flagship DE or not.
and do it our way
Or don’t do it at all because gnome can’t do that.
Forget opinions, just look at the most popular distros, which one do they ship with by default?
I prefer Gnome’s UX/UI, but I use KDE because they are faster to implement gaming related stuff.
I’m not sure which are the most popular distros. Mint, Fedora, some arch derivative of the day?
Ubuntu and Debian.
Agreed on debian general popularity but how many people install it on desktop/laptop? Ubuntu is hard to believe tbh, maybe ten years ago.
Really? I can’t find a source that suggests anything other than Ubuntu.
*Konclusion
Mortal Kombat?
Kant you kome up with something kool
Yeah dont love how kiki the squirel looks like a child in a bikini wtf.
I don’t think it’s a good idea for a cyborg to go anywhere near water
In Kiki’s case it seems she is canonically waterproof
I see someone wants to run for president
No, they said they DON’T like it!
But could we see Konqi in a bikini. That feels more age appropriate.
@LetchLemon @MyVeryRealName who’s konqi ?
The dragon
That’s the
mascotambassador, a boy dragon with a headscarf and “K”hornsantlers, but there’s canonically an entirevillagevalley of them, and they created Kiki.Edit: changed terms to reflect official lore
So much more appropriate if they wore bikinis. Opposed to creating a human squirrel hybrid in their lab and slapping it in a 2 piece.
