Florida Republican Representative Kat Cammack was widely criticized after opening up to reporter Tara Palmeri about having trouble accessing abortion for an ectopic pregnancy in Florida after she helped pass a six-week abortion ban in the state.
Cammack told the Wall Street Journal that she faced delays in receiving treatment for a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy shortly after Florida’s six-week abortion ban took effect in May 2025.
Cammack blamed those delays not on the law itself but on what she described as misleading messaging from abortion-rights advocates that had made healthcare workers fearful of legal repercussions, telling the Journal:
“It was absolute fearmongering at its worst. There will be some comments like, ‘Well, thank God we have abortion services,’ even though what I went through wasn’t an abortion.'"
“It was absolute fearmongering at its worst. There will be some comments like, ‘Well, thank God we have abortion services,’ even though what I went through wasn’t an abortion.'"
‘My abortion is different and special’
No abortion is moral unless they require it.
I’m sure you know this, but for anyone thinking this is an exaggeration, Joyce Arthur gathered stories of them telling providers just that almost 30 years ago in the article ‘“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”’ from doctors in the US and a couple other countries, including picketers that come back the day after their abortion to picket the clinic.
It’s in rare cases like this that I wish a doctor could call a patient out on their shit publicly, but I understand that HIPPA privacy is much more important than calling out these fakers
Oh sorry if my post wasn’t clear, this article is exactly what I was referring to. Every woman should have the right to choose what happens to their own bodies.
I assumed it was, I just wanted to make it obvious for anyone who hadn’t come across that article and might have thought you were just being cheeky
Yeah you did a better job by actually including the article. 😀
You’re right. Because the entire thing is always amoral
Downside: She learned nothing.
Upside: She failed to reproduce.
Fucking gutter scum.
The sooner we rid ourselves of the conservative/regressive cancer killing our society, the sooner our quality of life improves.
You came in that thing? You’re braver than I thought.
She should be happy she lived. Some don’t.
I’m very much unhappy she lived.
“Misleading messaging” i.e. saying that the law prevents things like this instead of just straight-up shooting a toddler in the face, which is what most Republicans seem to think abortion is. Rot, bitch.
shamefully clueless
Oh no, a few hours delay while they verified that they weren’t going to break Florida’s draconian laws and face criminal prosecution. You should celebrate, the law is working as designed!
Fuck that stupid cunt.
Actually, don’t do that, she obviously doesn’t understand how anything works.
And all the kittycats go “MUNCH! CHEW! NOM!”
Sometimes I think being too stupid should be punishable by law.
While I get the sentiment, mental retardation was targeted by the Nazis. Given the current situation and the government’s propensity for Nazism, I am disinclined to support that sentiment.
Stupid is curable, these dumbfucks are willfully stupid, those with intellectual disabilities are unfortunately lacking that option quite often.
Being a Nazi should be punishable by law.
“what I went through wasn’t an abortion.”
Wooooow. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
it couldn’t have been an abortion, there was no satanic priest in a hooded black robe, goat skull headdress, and ritual dagger
And nobody ate the “baby” I guess?
It’s only a real abortion if you believe it in your heart.
What a waste.
Welcome to 'murica, where everything is made up and the definition of words don’t matter!
Except that this is defined in the law, this is why healthcare providers are advised by their legal teams not to do it.
I believe in either Florida or Texas (I don’t remember which. Probably both tbh) it’s considered murder to get an abortion and can be punishable by death penalty. Fucking arsehats
“We care about life so much that if you are about to die due to complications and you have an abortion we will kill you.”
I guess at least with leathal injection it will most likely be less painful than dying in childbirth.
Nah, they don’t give a fuck after you’re born. But before? LIFE IS PRECIOUS! Except mothers who need an abortion, for reasons as ectopic pregnancies etc. oh, wait. Those aren’t abortions* apparently. At least according to Kat
The only moral abortion is her own
Only whores and trollops would have an abortion. This is a life saving procedure! /s
The procedures are often the same. A D&C is a D&C, whether it’s used to deliberately abort a viable fetus or to clean out an unviable fetus. It literally means to Dilate the cervix (so the doctor can see inside and get their instruments in there) & Curratage (use a tool to scrape tissue out of the uterus).
Or popping a pill to expel a fetus, viable or otherwise. Mifeprestone then Misoprostol vs Methotrexate then Misoprostol. In both cases, the first drug stops development, and the second drug expels the fetus.
In all of these cases, you’re aborting the fetus. The context changes, the act is the same.
Wait until she learns about ectopic pregnancies…
EDIT: Never mind, that’s what she had. I didn’t read it…
She had an ectopic pregnancy. That’s why she needed an abortion, which she got (because it’s okay when it’s for me) but she’s complaining about the fact that fear of prosecution under HER law made pharmacies unwilling (edit: I should have said “hesitant”) to provide the necessary pills. It’s the fact that it wasn’t in her uterus that she’s using to claim it “wasn’t an abortion.”
She didn’t get it “because it’s okay when it’s for me”
She got it because it is a life-threatening condition that Florida’s anti-abortion laws do take into account, unlike some other states.
However, doctors are so afraid of the law she supported that before they act they are compelled to document as much as possible and test and test.
Additionally
and either (1) two physicians so certify this conclusion “in [their] reasonable medical judgment” in writing, or (2) a single physician certifies that the risks are “imminent” and “another physician is not available for consultation.”12 “Reasonable medical judgment” is defined as “a medical judgment that would be made by a reasonably prudent physician
If I were a physician I would almost always wait for the 2nd physician to sign off before allowing a Florida court judge me.
She got treatment exactly as prescribed by the law
https://abortiondefensenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Florida.pdf
What I meant was not that she was allowed to get it, of course the law was written to allow a bare minimum of protection for the life of the mother. And I have edited because I should have said hesitant rather than unwilling. They did give her the pills.
My point was that she chose not to die for her beliefs, but instead carved out a nonsensical mental exception for herself by denying that the abortion was an abortion. When push came to shove, she chose to have her fetus (embryo? I bet she lied about it only being 5 weeks) killed instead of letting it die naturally and probably kill her in the process.
Which, by the way, is the only sane decision and yet it’s the one she denies.
of course the law was written to allow a bare minimum of protection for the life of the mother
Yeah, I got some bad news about that.
Basically 6 states (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, South Dakota, and Wisconsin) have no provision to protect the health of the pregnant person. They only have provisions to protect the life of the mother. The issue is it’s so poorly written in many states they have to wait until the mother is actively dying to act.
Ectopic pregnancies are deadly, eventually. They can stay in place for weeks without actually killing the woman. It’s well documented that in many states women have been told to wait in the parking lot until the condition became severe enough that it was life threatening.
I’m well aware. It’s so brutal that saying it’s barbaric is unfair to barbarians. Fortunately for her, Florida wasn’t on that list. In the terrible past, a woman could say “I’ll kill myself if I have to continue this pregnancy,” which would allow the doctor to act to save her life. In the more-terrible present, the draconian laws are written to prevent any such acts of humanity. The thumb is pushing so hard on the scale towards the “baby” rather than the woman (who has no value except as a mother) that the laws are indeed poorly written, on purpose.
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying!
Back in the day, your birth tally, as recorded for every childbearing woman, terminations were terminations. 3 miscarriages? 3 terminations. 3 abortions? 3 terminations. 2 miscarriages and one abortion? 3 terminations. That’s not political, that is the neutrality (ideally) of medicine.
Gravida: # of times pregnant Para: # of pregnancies that reached viable gestation, alive or not. Termination: # of losses previable
So this gal, if it was her only pregnancy, would be G1, P0, T1 by that system.
That’s when I was in school. I’m not in OB, but now they use GTPAL (you guys can look it up in total). I cannot find the year of the switch. But know older terminology may be referenced by some people.
The P is preterm. Births between 20-37wks, live or stillborn.
The A is abortion, and includes ALL losses before 20wks. Your body can self abort due to issues with the fetus. A lot of early miscarriages are like that, and, often happen on a toilet. GASP
By the newer GTPAL system, this gal would be (assuming this was her only pregnancy): G1, T0, P0, A1, L0
Note that A1 is Abortion: 1.
I feel no joy in this. For me, it simply is, but this gal will likely continue to see it as something else.
Took me too long to come up with L =Live births.
Yeah but all that sounds so complicated and it’s easier to just say it’s all the same and it’s all “murder”
Yeah. Take the D&C. The D is for dilation (of the cervix), so the doctor can see into the uterus and use instruments. The C stands for the tool used to scrape stuff out of the uterus. Could be a miscarriage. Could be an abortion. Could be polyp removal (like a uterine version of a skin tag, but can cause bleeding). Obtain a sample from an irritated uterus to test for cancer. Post menopausal women get this procedure. Old ladies. Young ladies.
Doesn’t sound like she learned anything though
They’ve decided that if you’ll die if you don’t get it then it’s not an abortion, because abortions are elective. No, this is not a real medical distinction; It’s the same surgery.
You’re close but it’s actually
“They’ve decided that if I die if I don’t get it then it’s not an abortion, for everyone else it is an abortion”
Small distinction I know but it makes a world of difference.
You could likely actually trim it up a bit to a more simple
“If I get it, it’s not an abortion”
Its religious fundamentalism, aka, structured and mandated persistent irrational delusions, anti-reality cult member behavior
When you realize these people just are a kind of insane that isn’t recognized as a mental disorder because you can still work a wage slave job while having it… … and because its broadly popular … everything starts to make more sense.
America was founded by mostly a mixture of petty criminals and their descendants, and religious nutjobs, and their descendants.
… if you abandon the melting pot / tapestry of differences with a backbone of principles … idea of America… you revert back to old habits and entrenched norms and material power structures.
Another great example of why people who show no capacity for empathy should be shunned from society until they change. She cries about her own abortion, but how many women have already died before she decided to shed a tear for herself?
Shunning people is by definition not an empathetic action, so your plan to increase the average empathy of society falls apart pretty much immediately. Ironically, building empathy requires the opposite of shunning.
Sorry, all out of empathy for fascists who can’t acknowledge their own faults.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Empathy is part of the social contract, and when someone violates that social contract they are no longer protected by it. Empathy for the unempathetic is exactly the same as tolerating the intolerant. It leads to the death of the very principle we are trying to espouse.
Beat me to it. Good work
A Knights Tale meme? Awesome.
Lmao, did you make that? I love that movie
Found it randomly and saved it to use when appropriate.
If you don’t make people realize they are stupid and shitty, they often remain shitty (even if you literally tell them). Shunning sometimes works, and if it doesn’t affect them, then their children are less likely to behave the same way. Empathy works if all parties are open to change, which unfortunately isn’t a guarantee.
The paradox of tolerance is surprisingly easy to solve.
“Make the logic sound with one weird exception trick” ?
It’s a core part of the logic. Not some exception. The logic doesn’t work without it. If to be tolerant you must tolerate intolerance. Then there is no such thing as tolerance. Just apathy.
No one is trying to make these people feel empathy. The time to be taught that was childhood by loving, kind, emotionally available parents. That ship has long sailed. At this point we have to aim for shame and embarrassment if there is any hope to make those that are ok with these fucked up policies have an ounce of self reflection that might make them realize these shitty decisions affect them too. If they are going to be selfish cunts, we can at least educate them so they aren’t dumb selfish cunts.
We do not have to coddle the intolerant, the violent, the liars and thieves. They are breaking the social contract but expecting to be protected by it still. They deserve neither succor or shelter from it.
/you’ve_been_shunned
It’s kind of impossible to have empathy for someone who doesn’t have empathy. Once you try to put yourself in their shoes, that’s you being empathetic and, as such, failing to put yourself in their shoes. It’s like trying to “win” The Game, the act of trying to win causes you to lose.
Shunning, however, is absolutely an empathetic act when done to someone who society has deemed incompatible (which is very few people all told, most just need a hug), especially when considering all the other varied and violent methods humankind has developed for dealing with these sorts of issues over the millenia. Not only is shunning vastly more empathetic than torture, rape, dismemberment, etc., it’s also more empathetic to society as a whole to have that person removed.
Personally disagree. Empathy doesn’t necessarily mean agreeing, it can also mean understanding why the other person is thinking like that, while still disagreeing with them.
Being clear, I agree that shunning is the correct path, but it’s not because “you can’t have empathy for people who lack it”, it’s exactly because you understand that if you don’t shun them, they’re never going to change. The utopic end goal is that people understand why they’re being shunned and start rethinking their choices. Of course, if they don’t and they want to keep being shunned that’s still a positive for society, but we should still hope for them to change. It’s sort of like the (stated, unfortunately not factual) purpose of prison.
Yeah, I was referring to people who literally are incapable of empathy, the people you’re talking about just need to learn to exercise it. That’s what I meant by the parenthetical in my comment about how most people just need a hug.
I… don’t know how I missed that parentheses, sorry if I basically reiterated what you already said lol
In any case though, I still don’t believe in the existence of people physically incapable of empathy (well, outside of some mentally ill ones who lack more than just empathy), it’s just that some people are in a position where they’re never gonna realistically need to learn it in their entire lives.
No worries, you definitely added another perspective! But yeah, those mentally ill ones are the ones I’m talking about. Like the president of the United States, I simply can’t put myself in a place where I can truly understand his motives or what causes him to be the way that he is. The more I try, the less I want to. And this isn’t to say all, or even most, mentally ill people should just be locked up or completely forced from society, but there does reach for a point for a very select few where rehabilitation and societal reintegration are simply impossible, and the most empathetic thing that can be done for everyone involved is to stop trying.
Eh, in all honesty I think Trump isn’t that far off from the mindset of most corrupt politicians around the world, he’s just more blatant, less smart and has WAY more power. If you try putting yourself in the mindset of “I benefit from doing this and I have a HUGE cult of people that like that I’m doing this”, it makes sense.
The only reason I think rehabilitation is not viable for him (besides, as I said, him being in a position where it’s impossible to make him face consequences), is because he’s really old and I don’t know if his brain is still capable of completely reshaping his thoughts. But I’m convinced that all the other “younger” terrible people (Musk, Tate, Shapiro and so on) could actually change if the whole world stopped giving them attention/praise and started saying “Hey, what you’re saying is fucked up and nobody likes you. We don’t want you in our society”. Of course, that’s a gigantic “if” because unfortunately they all have their own cult of people thinking they’re the messiah which constantly boosts their ego, but one can dream.
What a piece of shit.
Stupid, piece of shit.
I’m done not pointing out the massive correlation between being evil and being a dumb mother fucker.
My only caution is to not always assume idiocy. You may underestimate evil.
Example: I consider myself a reasonably smart guy. I got the smart guy job and the smart guy degree. I also consider donald trump to be an incurious and generally incompetent moron.
But despite my smart guy credentials, and donald’s obvious moronism…he convinced a third of the country to vote for him. That is a skill that I do not possess. That is a skill that very few possess.
The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity
#1: Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
#2 - The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
#3: A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
#4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people infallibly turns out to be a costly mistake
Law #5: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person. A stupid person is more dangerous than a bandit.
Law #2 is at issue here. You and I would both probably outsmart a cat…until intelligence is measured by the ability to catch a rat.
According to Bonhoeffer, stupidity is a moral failing, not an intellectual one.
https://www.fisheaters.com/srpdf/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer-On_Stupidity.pdf
Interesting, I hadn’t read that before. I do believe it is a moral failing too. Stupidity is cowardice. You pick one lane, one side, and then stick with it and stick your fingers in your ears to any contradictory evidence. Some people do this quite young and never change, and some people astoundingly start to do it in their 50s. That sort of mental rigidity makes no sense to me. We need to give these people a massive dose of shrooms and see if we can shake things up.
Dose your family at Thanksgiving. Make the political fights interesting
He did not accomplish that by himself. The entire Republican party is responsible for that. The megadonors, the evangelicals, Fox News, the NRA, Facebook and Cambridge Analytica, internet trolls, manosphere podcasters, all the way down to the lifelong down-ballot voters.
The Donald Trump that Trump voters see is not the same one you and I see, because theirs is nearly entirely fabricated from lies and omissions. They see fake successes and don’t see real failures. Trump’s benefactors, not Trump, constructed this alternate reality. And those voters have been living in this constructed reality for over a decade now, conditioned to protect it against all outside forces.
You’re right, it’s not just the idiocy of the country that put him there, but the evil of the conservative machine.
The machine exists for everybody, donnie was the one that turned it to his benefit.
I also can’t do that.
the only moral abortion is my abortion, its a common tactic for the gop. if a male gop gets a mistress pregnant, they quietly fly them to a abortion clinic secretely terminate the baby.
People who don’t understand the inplications of their own actions and then blame others for their ignorance are getting tiring.
Especially when they take that infantile shit mentality to the ballot box.
Its the Democrats’ fault for not warning us of the consequences of our own actions well enough.
-Republicans
Oh remember when Senator McConnell blamed Obama for not warning he and his dumbass party for the obvious unintended consequences for passing the Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act?
It’s a proud Republican tradition of being fucking proud morons.
Yes, and if I remember correctly, this was after Obama had vetoed it and explained why!
mitch is evil and smart, he knows whats he doing.
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When was the last time they listened to a democrat speaking?
You sound like most posters in Lemmy.
They sure love to blame the Dems for all the shit MAGA does.
“WhY dO yOu SuPpOrT gEnOcIdE? “
They ask while they create a worse outcome…
They ask as the orange pedo literally called 'yahoo telling him to ignore ceasefire negotiations with Biden, then outright says “I’ll help him finish the job”…then orders an illegal war in Iran and bombs schools for funsies.
But yeah, it’s the Dems who were gEnOcIdAl
Because they are correct
Yeah, it’s been over a century of that happening and things aren’t getting better because those same idiots are in charge of education.
