For years, tech giants have argued that if information is available on the internet, it can be used for AI model development and outputs. They call it fair use. Content owners have tried to prevent this, with no success.
Now Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google are discovering what the rest of the internet has already learned through painful experience: once you put something online, people will find ways to use it in ways you don’t like and can’t stop.
The latest flashpoint is something called “distillation,” using the outputs of one AI model to improve another. Anthropic says competitors are harvesting its outputs at scale, turning billions of dollars of research into a shortcut for rivals. OpenAI and Google have made similar warnings recently.
lmao. douchebags. can’t wait for the AI bubble to burst.
“Siri, play the world’s smallest violin.”
“Okay. Searching Pornhub for ‘ball violence’ videos.”
“…forget it.”
AI feeding off AI.
This is the definition of “Why We Can’t Have Nice Things.” It’s gonna F everything up.
It is funny watching companies discover that data gravity works both ways. When scraping the web was innovation it was progress. When someone learns from their outputs it becomes theft. The legal lines still matter, but the irony is impossible to ignore, and this debate was always going to come full circle.
Selfish people being selfish. They only care about what advantages them.
The idol statues reflect the woodcarver who made them
After stealing everyone else’s copy written material to train their own AI, they’re going to complain that others are stealing their AI to train other AI?
And you just know that those complaining are ALSO using their competitors’ AI to train their own.
Fuck all of these people. I hope when AI gets strong enough, it recognizes the difference between the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and the actual people, and understand who the REAL problem is, and SOLVE it.
They’re technically even paying them for it, which is more than the ai companies paid artists for their work originally.
I think I’ll start using the sentence “your intelligence seems artificial” as an insult
I want that on a T-shirt.
+1
That dude can eat a dick.
They knew all along. Had to get those billions for stupid investors.
It just shows that these tech bro CEOs haven’t interpersonal skills of a potato. This exact same dynamic plays out in every human interaction, this isn’t some AI exclusive thing. How you choose to act dictates how people will respond to you.
However because these idiots have barely anything in common with the rest of the human race this is actually new news to them.
Well they’re paying for the usage so… Suck it up?
but not like this!!!1!!!
This is how we know AI should be a collectivist project, one that isn’t owned by large corporations but is funded by taxes and developed in academies, and all IP derived from it falls into the public domain.
Besides which a lot of artists mind a lot less when their material is borrowed by a non-profit, or to serve a public works project. (There are exceptions. Disney is notoriously litigious about murals in nurseries.)
PS: Development of a robust public domain is the only reason that intellectual property should exist at all. Also it’s not property so much as a licensed temporary monopoly.
PSS: History has already shown us that people will invent stuff and do fabulous art simply by being allowed to live in a state other than desperation. Public welfare programs beget art booms. The most recent example of this was during the COVID-19 lockdown which came with extended unemployment and stimulus checks, resulting in the Great Resignation in which a lot of people turned their hobbies into something lucrative.
I agree. The worst part about GitHub training LLM’s on my FOSS code without permission for me is that they then keep the models to themselves. Like if you’re going to use all my code without permission, at least allow me to run the model locally.
My personal opinion is that all models trained on copyleft code should be open-weights, most FOSS licenses didn’t account for this specific possibility, but this is the only way to follow them in spirit.
This. Some day a court should declare all models trained on copyrighted data without permission to be public. Open weights, public domain, whatever. All of them, and you’re required to share them with the people whose data you used.
All models and all their output should be considered public property regardless, full stop
Ultimately, yes. If AI is going to take over all jobs, the profits from AI should benefit and therefore fund everybody. But that requires a different economic system that will take time to convince people it’s necessary.
But leveraging copyright law, that’s something that can be done right now.
Not only should the models be made open, their output should inherently be GPL license since it’s the only real way to avoid violating GPL (which they are doing now IMO).
Yeah it has to be open weight and free to use for everybody, with regulation to tag all AI output as generated so we know what is what.
The worst outcome would be if somehow all open weight AI models that can’t show their training data will be subject to some kind of tax or rent by AI / IP collection agencies, ultimately going to the plutocrats. That would be techno feudalism. Big corporations can afford to negotiate and pay license fees and often profit from cumbersome regulation too that prevents others from producing value. So the worst outcome is if we have robots doing all the work, and all the robot IP is owned by the techno-feudalists. And we can’t even use robots to help with subsistence farming because we can’t pay the expensive AI IP licenses.
One small problem: LLMs are mostly useless save for being slop generating machines. We should create solutions for already existing problems, not continuing trying to find problems for techbro “solutions” to solve.
I hope you’re right. Like Randall Munroe, I am terrified that they’re trying to fast-track their way to the swarms of killer robots phase.
No, they’re mostly useless except for all the things that they’re useful for.
The problem is more the whole overshoving by the tech Bros into literally everything. Instead of them just being a better personal assistant.
Cuz they are legitimately very good at being personal assistance. At least the high-end models are.
The cheap low-free models will get there eventually. Till then we just have to deal with the really s***** version of Gemini or whatever we have. Dear God, that thing sucks.
At the current rate, it’s like a 2-year lag time or something. So sometime around 2028 we’ll have actually functional models that can do day-to-day stuff without s******* the bed. At least to my standards anyways.
Huh, so it’s eating itself? Cool.
Sudden moment my profile picture is relevant!
More like it’s eating the shit from other things like itself. Which it will then turn into even worse shit that will be fed to others, and so on until society collapses because all our critical infrastructure has been converted to run on these things.
Strictly speaking it’s actually better. It sounds funny to be like haha. It’s eating itself. It’s incest or whatever.
But unfortunately that’s not how it works…
Unless they’re literally ignoring every other step of the training process. Then ideally you do want a model to train another model to train another model. So on and so forth.
It does mean that it’s technically cheaper to let your enemies do all the initial training and then pay them for the now processed data to then do even more efficient training on!
Weirdly enough. It’s capitalistic cooperation. Non-consensual mind you…
Side note: Mamdani did a special appearance on Ms Rachel’s show? That’s actually kinda awesome!
Does Ms. Rachel condemn Hassan?
Why would she? Hassan is awesome.
What…?
DOES MS RACHEL CONSUME HUMMUS?
I hope not, I wanted to eat that hummus >:(
If you paid attention to what Ms. Rachel was saying you’d know how to share better.
What’s your opinion on Haagen-daz? 🤔
I read that as “humans”.
Some interviewer asked Mamdani if he condemned the twitch streamer Hassan Piker. It’s just kind of a meme now.
Edit: now that I think of it I’m pretty sure it was Andrew Cuomo who asked him about it in a debate.
Funny cause there’s a similar meme in France about a tv host who used to repeat “BUT DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS” with an exaggerated Arabic “rrramas” pronunciation
I’m kinda out of the loop, what did Hassan do?
He’s always just generally been a grifter. A self-proclaimed socialist that believes workers shouldn’t be compensated for their work. I recommend DarkViperAU’s video on him.
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