Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.
The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.
But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.
“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.
He’s an idiot who has never been able to distinguish between his fantasies and reality
He’s spent a lifetime making shit up, and never being held to account for it
He’s a child, and what’s worse, he has dementia.
He also lies as easily as he breathes. Truth means nothing to him. He sees being honest as a weakness
Just the person to entrust the most powerful military of the world with.
“But what choice do we have? Entrust the military to a lady? We’ll take the dementia-addled toddler instead”
Don’t forget that under the orange paint, he’s white
Didn’t matter. Look at the three elections that Trump ran, and his performance against the candidate with a penis vs. the ones without one.
The American electorate will vote for a Black penis-haver (particularly if he is a baller) over any vagina-haver right now. They still won’t say “I’m a sexist pig” in the exit polls, though, so we get reasons like “She didn’t explain her policies enough” or “She wasnt authentic enough” instead.
Maybe I’m just being hopeful, but I don’t think the vagina thing is as big of an influence as it seems. First, we only have a sample size of two.
One of them, Clinton, was just an objectively awful person. She wasn’t popular with anyone, including women.
The second, Harris, had an abbreviated campaign caused by Biden’s unwillingness to step down. She also wasn’t built up in preparation fora campaign during her VP term. On top of that, she was very unexciting policy-wise. Basically status quo when everybody is clamoring for progress.
Contrast that with Obama, who ran on “hope and change” and got people excited for actual progress. Which he didn’t deliver, but that’s another story.
Hillary Clinton was the most qualified Presidential candidate you’ve had since Eisenhower.
I don’t flatly disagree, but I think to call Hillary or Kamala as “electable” as Obama is a hard sell. He was a better public speaker than any president in my lifetime and he played things off well. Kamala was certainly more likable than Hillary, but she didn’t have as much sauce as the sauce king at least before he was usurped by the sauce god Mamdani.
Why do women win Governor elections, then?
Because not every state is full of misogyny
That is not so clear-cut https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/01/17-states-havent-had-a-female-us-senator-and-18-havent-had-a-woman-governor/ I’d have to go see if there is any correlation between these and Kamala/Hillary’s results, but I’m not expecting it to be strong.
(Oh, and of course, I didn’t check if any of these elections were woman vs woman, where it would not serve as an indicator of misogyny to elect a woman)
My point is that even women can win elections in deep red states, particularly if they follow “conservative” values close enough. But then again president has the whole commander-in-chief aura…ok…
People can accept woman as the little boss, but not the big boss. Not yet anyway.
The idea that the only reason she lost is because of being a woman is incredibly stupid.
I don’t agree. Take the same political stances and ethos, but have it come from Keith Harris (or even Kailash or Kenan Harris) instead, and he is seen as decisive and likeable.
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Yeah? Well my pop tart fell on the floor this morning. I think I’ll sit out 2028.
He is. She is a Russian asset.
Who’s “she” here? I’ll assume in good faith that this is a typo
… Tulsi Gabbard
Trump has always shown us he doesn’t need intelligence.
The truth doesn’t really matter. Israel will get their war, and the US will lumber into it behind them.
What’s crazy to me is apparently the US has become so polarized, so used to division that pointing out Israel is acting like bloodthirsty psychos is somehow supporting Iran, or Hamas before that. It’s like their whole culture has evaporated any nuance at all. Only diametrically opposed good and evil battling forever. Professional wrestling stories with Heels and Faces divided by clear black lines.
It is the only thing conservatives/fascists have left.
And shitlibs.
Liberals aren’t even in charge of anything at the moment but you really out here trying to get this “shitlib” thing you made up to stick.
Yikes
tHiNg yOu mAdE uP
God vs Satan doesn’t leave room for nuance.
First, weaken the commercial aviation in your country. Second, start calling everything terrorism. Third, start yet another war in the middle east.
Your guy is desperately looking for another 911.
I’m expecting a false-flag attack here soon to give him an excuse to officially pull the US into it
Or maybe a real attack from the guillotine squad. It’d amount to the same thing.
Tronald would likely abuse the fuck Out of it to do more “emergency measures”. We’ve seen this in Germany in the 30s with the Ermächtigungsgesetz after the Reichstag burned.
*9/11
why tf would a fascist dictator give a rat’s ass about “reasons” to plunge multiple countries into war? he wants war, that’s what’s going to happen
Tbh this is not specific to trump. Gulf wars happened the same way.
the difference is bush 1 & 2 made an effort to convince everyone their bullshit wars were justified. diaper fascist is literally saying “don’t care”
the thing that’ll shock me is if we’re NOT at war within a month
edit: it took less than a fucking week…
Not really it was all theatrical in un but everybody knew and called them out. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/French_address_on_Iraq_at_the_UN_Security_Council
not sure what you’re trying to argue. that maybe we won’t go to war?
i didn’t say no one called them out, just that they made an effort to justify the wars.
the wars still happened, didn’t they. despite being “called out”
people have been “calling out” trump for decades. we still have trump. people are “calling out” this war too.
My point is this is not specific to trump. I don’t like him but this is typical American military complex which we have seen in the past. History repeats itself.
Destabilizing Iran has been a major part of the US vision to reshape the middle east in it’s own favor, in order to retain hegemonic control and move the theater to China
It’s also been Israel’s goal since the 1990s, and Israel is an fundamental to US foreign policy in the region
Quick, dust off the “weapons of mass destruction” propaganda.
Came here to say the exact same thing.
It doesn’t matter if it is true or not (not just this topic) but if you repeat the lie enough and gaslight the public it becomes true, and if it doesn’t so what, what are you going to do about it.
NOTHING that is what they are counting on.
Keep up the protests, the No Kings protest was huge even if MSM is downplaying it.
That’s fine. Iraq didn’t have WMDs either. They just need a lie to sell it to the public.
What’s the context for this photo?
Colin Powell lies to congress about “facts” and “evidence” of WMDs in Iraq that led to a 20 year war
The UN. This picture was when he lied to the UN about WMDs in Iraq.
My bad, he lied so much it’s hard to keep it straight
In [Trump’s] view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.
Those are clearly Netanyahu’s words in his mouth. Netanyahu has been loudly and confidently saying that at regular intervals since 2012. Iran is always weeks away.
At the same time Isreal is like the only country that probably has nukes yet refuses to acknowledge it.
Imagine Iran did a “preventive strike” against Israel because they might have nuclear bombs.
They’re pretty open about it
Since the 90’s
They’ve been saying “any day now” for twenty-some years
You mean 2002?
1995 actually
Not only is trump ignoring this, but lots and lots of shitlibs on this site are also.
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We have done this dance before last time it cost me my 20s my sanity and most importantly a huge amount for friends I loved like brothers who died before and are still killing then selfs…
So we are gonna do the Iraq WMD lie again huh?
This season’s twist is that the Intelligence community is claiming that there is no weapons. Unless the Intelligence community is doing reverse psychological on us.
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The CIA reported no wmds before the invasion of Iraq too
People still believe Iraq had WMDs to this day.
I still have people telling me it wasn’t Bush’s fault, the intelligence was bad
Well, they’re half right, but not in the sense they mean…
Of course there are ZERO valid reasons to go to war in the ME.
What is that?
That’s Secretary of State Colin Powell testifying to Congress about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, during the Bush Jr. administration, I think.
That’s Secretary of State Colin Powell
testifyinglying to Congress about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, during the Bush Jr. administration, I think.I had to.
The Bush administration getting away with all their criminal shit paved the way for Trump.
Tbf I doubt it was new in politics
In fairness to Colin Powell, my understanding was he didn’t know it was a lie/ trumped up evidence at the time, and was pretty bitter about it in later years.
It’s not Congress. It’s the UN. And he was doing a really stupid publicity stunt about how that vial could hold anthrax to kill them all. And then went on about WMDs in Iraq.
I think he’s possibly talking at the UN or some security council as they plaque in front of him says “United States”, at a guess that wouldn’t be necessary in front of Congress. I might be wrong though, I’m not from the US.
“Better not drop that cake”
Wmd
Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?
The alternative is believing Israel’s government…
And they’re an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists…
Like, America is bad right now
But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever
Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office
Donald Trump is doing nazi shit all the same
He’s doing horrible shit…
But he hasn’t been actively committing a genocide like Israel has.
If you think trump is doing as bad of shit as Israel. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.
He’s neck deep in supporting Israels Genocide, I would call that “actively committing”
Notice how I have made zero comparison to Israel I’m just commenting on Trump.
The alternative is believing Israel’s government…
That’s what you replied too…
If I now said:
Everclear is the best 90s rock band
Does that mean that’s the only topic you’re allowed to respond to now? If you mentioned Nirvana could I tell you I never mentioned them so the band is verboten?
Maybe I’m just having a bad morning, but this shit is getting ridiculous
It’s definitely not you. This shit happened (and is still happening) on Reddit all the time, it’s like there will always be a sizeable population that doesn’t understand the concept of context and how replies to a thread are never standalone but always within the ongoing context of the thread. If they want to make a standalone comment, make a separate comment thread. But somehow that’s too advanced of a concept for them to grasp.
To be fair I was having a bad morning…
But I felt like the lady from the Thunder gun focus group multiple times today, not just there.
I made a comment about Trump doing bad shit. I didn’t mention ANYTHING about Israel. People on lemmy really like to just put words in others mouths and get all offended over it. It’s fucking annoying.
But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever
That’s what I am responding to.
You don’t have to believe either one.
Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office
What kind of pushback did they get from Obama?
This alternative is to believe the assessment that nuclear regulators made that they were stockpiling 60% enriched uranium and installing new centrifuges that could further enrich to weapons grade even faster. AFAIK there is no other plausible explanation for doing this, nuclear reactors only need 5% enrichment or so:
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf
It’s also not a great look Iran immediately talks about testing a nuke a day after the attack. Despite that obviously being a lie, it at least makes it clear they don’t seem to be trying very hard to hide it.
I’m sure Netanyahu has all kinds of nefarious reasons for doing this and with this timing, but this pretense at least seems pretty solid unlike Gaza and I’m sure there is genuine concern throughout their citizenry over how Iran would use them against them.
To be frank, if I was them, I would do everything to get a nuke before the crazies in Israel and the USA decide to wipe out Iran. So Iran trying to get it makes perfect sense.
I’m sure they see it that way as well. And so here we are.
So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.
Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.
You don’t have to trust her.
But if she says the sun will come up tomorrow, it doesn’t mean we need to plan to live the rest of our days in fucking darkness man…
Like. You understand that right? Someone can be a habitual liar, but that doesn’t mean the opposite of everything they say is true.
I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.
There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.
There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke.
By all means share it with the class…
Because Israel’s government isn’t. And neither is any other government.
So I’m sure lots of people would absolutely love to see your proof
Otherwise, it’s more likely Israel is lying because they’ve been saying Iran is a few years away from having nukes for literal decades. It means as much as Elmo saying Tesla will have auto omous driving in a few years
Someone else did it, see above.
Christ’s sake…
This is the fediverse, you can’t assume everyone sees the same comments when everyone’s on different instances. And that’s not even getting into how people block other accounts.
This is like pulling fucking teeth. So speaking of block lists…
They are not the good guys
Please stop getting your politics from marvel movies
Iran is authoritarian and brutal but this is the first I’m hearing of genocidal.
Got any examples I can look up?
They sent paramilitaries to Syria to engage in sectarian genocide.
They certainly call for genocide pretty often.
Got any examples?
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If Trump doesn’t believe her, then even from his demented perspective she shouldn’t have the job. So which is it Donald? Does she ah, merit her position of authority and influence, or does she not?
The more he dismiss America’s intelligence agencies, the more i believe them.
Yep exactly. If he says something I assume the opposite is true. I’m not saying this for comedy value, I genuinely do
