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Summary
RFK Jr. is using private medical records to create a registry of people with autism in the United States.
The National Institutes of Health is helping to collect private medical records from government and commercial databases, including “prescription records from pharmacies, lab testing, and genomics records from the Department of Veterans Affairs and Indian Health Service, private insurance claims, and data from smartwatches and fitness trackers.”
Kennedy, a longtime critic of vaccination, has made the study of autism one of HHS’s primary goals. He has called autism “preventable” and claimed “he can find a cure for the condition by September.”
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Didn’t the Nazi’s do this too?
Yes. The first group of people exterminated by the Nazis were the disabled.
The school Hans Asperger sent autistic children to:
Am Spiegelgrund was divided into a reform school and a children’s ward, where sick and disabled adolescents were unwitting subjects of medical experiments and victims of nutritional and psychological abuse. Some died by lethal injection and gas poisoning; others by disease, starvation, exposure to the elements, and “accidents” relating to their conditions. The brains of up to 800 victims were preserved in jars and housed in the hospital for decades.
Wonder if they’re gonna rebrand Aspbergers again as ‘the people useful to society’ again.
Yes. The nazis tried to cure autism… (/s if it’s not obvious).
Seriously, why are you comparing this to Nazis.
Why would you not? Unless you were sure there were checks and balances in places to ensure it doesn’t happen. Say, something like, not tracking disabled people, and/or, not abandoning judicial process and habeas corpus, and/or respect for legal precedence and norms that affirm trust in the process
It does, to me, seem like a violation of privacy (looks like patients have no consent in whether their private data is collected).
But, personally, I would think there would have been better, non-public ways of doing this if he really wanted to exterminate austistic people, etc.
It being public, makes me think he wants PR, etc and wants to be the dude to cure autism.
The PR is to desensitize us from them doing outrageous things.
We REALLY need to stop letting football coaches teach history in public education.
Lool thanks for the diss, I will try to keep my head held up high. Unless it was meant for the original comment, then I can forget about this ;(
You should probably forget about a lot of things.
Because the Nazis literally did this.
Check this out:
I cannot read the entire transcript, but from what I did read, it seems to be talking about how Nazis slaughtered children with autism.
Maybe you can draw the conclusion that he (rfk) is collecting data on autistic people so that he can slaughter them too, but that seems very far fetched doesn’t it?
If I’m missing something important from what I didn’t read, please let me know.
This administration is already sending innocent people to a concentration camp indefinitely and without a trial.
That seemed farfetched not too long ago.
I don’t know much about this, but just wanted to thank you for continuing the discussion even though I can’t myself because of a lack of knowlege here.
Others prefer insults 🥹
No, it does not seem far fetched. Look at the shit this administration is doing and wake the fuck up.
Yep, if anyone had any doubt that MAGA = NAZI… well , MAGA = FUCKING NAZIS
These are almost entirely unregulated. There are no requirements that these facilities hire qualified staff, background check their staff, provide evidence based treatments. Children who are marked as mentally ill are not considered reliable narrators, so their accounts of abuse are not believed. (It’s funny - I try to report things that happened to me more than ten years ago, and it’s “too late” - but at the time they called me a liar, called it a symptom and hopped me up on Resperdal. How exactly does a teenager in one of these facilities get help?)
Turnabout Ranch, the place that Dr Phil sent kids like Bhad Baby to, allowed kids to be hurt.
There are already things in place that would facilitate an Aktion T4 style program. Southern states especially have horrendous child welfare systems, and children do die in “treatment.”
RFK jr, the Republican Joseph Mengele
I’m more worried about why he’s doing it, than that he’s doing it to be honest, because the only realistic use case I see for this is eugenics.
In 1936, three years after taking power, the Nazis ordered families with a mentally or physically handicapped person to send them to nearby hospitals for the best treatment. Soon after, they started receiving letters that their loved one had passed away.
The first to notice the pattern was the clergy, who realized that the families in their congregations who had vulnerable members were ALL getting these letters, and they rightfully concluded that a euthanasia program was going on.
Many spoke out from the pulpit, demanding an end to this atrocity, and Hitler responded, saying he was shocked at this revelation, and promising to end it. He didn’t, of course, he just buried it, expanded it, and evolved it into the Holocaust.
To Nazis, the best way to reduce the statistics of autistic people, is to reduce the numbers of autistic people, and the first step in doing that is to compile their names.
Of course, the real issue is HOW are they going to reduce the autistic population? Considering how much MAGA openly admires the Nazis, it’s not hard to make an educated guess.
They don’t even have to kill anyone on purpose. They just have to force people to undergo experimental autism cures, which have historically killed patients. An example of this would be chelation therapy, aka using the medication used to remove heavy metals from the body under the (unconfirmed) assumption that autism is caused by heavy metals.
If a database is good enough to connect pharmacy records, medical records, and even health info from smart watches (which a doctor or insurance company would not have access to) then it would need to link patient info together in a way that’s not as anonymous as they claim it to be. Theoretically, this could be enough information to force someone into doing these experimental treatments in order to keep their driver’s license (even if they’re otherwise high functioning enough to not be hospitalized) or force someone to be hospitalized with promises of being taught to be more independent later down the line.
They don’t even have to kill anyone on purpose.
They intend to starve the disabled financially as community outcasts.
What are you saying? That the poor are outcasts looked down upon by the vast majority of people regardless of their political beliefs?
For some cases, being marginalized is far worse than dying.
They don’t even have to experiment on people, they just have to forcefully sterilize them.
This. This is way more worrisome than first glance.
The only result they will find is that autism diagnosis happens more often in areas where it’s socially acceptable o go see a doctor for concerns about mental health. Deep red states will have “less” autism because hardly anyone will be going to the doctor and expressing concerns that they may have autism, and then they just go undiagnosed.
It’s not contagious you fuckstick.
ah… aH… AH… AUTISM! 🤧
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Also, the term Asperger’s was coined in Nazi Germany to help determine which patients with autism (back then considered a subgroup of schizophrenia) were fit for labor camps and which were destined for death camps.
Which is part of the reason we don’t use the label Asperger’s anymore.
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Especially since he’s already been on TV talking about how “these are people who will never pay taxes. they’ll never hold a job. they’ll never play baseball. they’ll never write a poem. they’ll never go on a date. many of them will never use a toilet unassisted.” He’s explicitly pushing the narrative that autistic people are useless.
Seriously, I was thinking about getting evaluated, and this gives me the chills. I will not be seeking an evaluation at this time.
Seriously, I was thinking about getting evaluated, and this gives me the chills. I will not be seeing an evaluation at this time.
A lot of people are probably going to make the same rational decision — which, of course, will make the number of issued diagnoses go down. These fuckers will most likely try to take that as evidence that their policies worked.
RFK is not the killing type, he is more of a “grandma giving you kombucha something sweet drink instead of actual medicine” type. He even talks like one.
That’s dangerous, but blood purity is something I’d expect his background to actually prevent him from believing to be good. With ecology, eating raw meat and such things. Not the kind of people to think being inbred is good.
Exactly. I can see him banning any amphetamine/stimulant medications for ADHD first before having them rounded up, or instead of banning them outright, they decide to use them as a leash on people who could be problematic. “Do this thing for that long, and you get your dose. Break the rules, and we cut you off.”
I think he was for less regulation for medications, not more, and more regulation for food, not less. Anyway guessing what will he do is not very useful.
Holy shit, do they want to speedrun fascism?
Yes. They laid it out with Project 2025 and a staggering amount of people voted for it.
Pretty sure the staggering amount of people who voted for Trump have never heard of P2025 before the election, as FoxNews pretty much never spoke about it.
Until after the election; https://www.foxnews.com/politics/heritage-president-project-2025-liberals-doge-takes-ax-bureaucracy
And plenty still heard about it and instead of doing an ounce of actual research, they wrote it off as propaganda. Because it was just “too crazy to be true.”
Yes. There are a lot of ignorant people but I feel they choose to be ignorant.
Ahh of course. Cause feelings about other people is far simpler than attempting understanding.
Don’t let reality get in your way of your desired scapegoats. A strategy much loved in the current year.
I don’t buy that. I live on the other side of the planet and I know what project 2025 is and its key action points. It’s not just foreign media that were reporting on it. I also watch some US late night shows, especially when a major event like an election is about to happen. Most late night shows also discussed project 2025 at length.
Yes.
Why do you think they are so concerned about government efficiency?
You’re already living under fascism at this point. You just haven’t woken up yet, because they didn’t get to your door. Yet. The sooner you wake up the better.
I don’t live in the US.
They already have
A couple things I would like to highlight for the unfamiliar, and I’ll preface this by saying that I am autistic myself.
First, autism is not something for which there are any clear medical indicators, no blood tests or brain scans or anything of the sort are involved in diagnosis. It’s entirely subjective and observational, something that states entrust people who are ostensibly professionals to determine.
I point this out because I want people to understand that there is absolutely nothing stopping the present administration from hiring people (or using AI) to simply diagnose undesirables with autism through whatever criteria they decide to deem fit.
This might sound absurd, but we’re seeing people with nothing but tattoos being transformed into “criminals”, “gang members”, and “terrorists” by similar logic.
Second, Asperger was a Nazi, and the child euthanasia program was one of the main projects which experimented with the tools and machinery of mass murder that would later be used in extermination camps. Zyklon B was tested on autistic children and other “diseased offspring” long before it was ever used in the gas chambers.
How long do you think it will take before they are using AI to comb through the social media and medical records of teens looking for any indications of anything they don’t like, and flagging them as potentially autistic? September has been RFK’s set date since he first started talking about it, and people have been puzzling about that from the beginning. September is the start of the school year.
Lists are not neutral; they are tools of social hierarchy and ideological enforcement.
Creating a national database of autistic people could grow from “support services” to stigmatizing surveillance or work farms—especially if the one proposing it has a history of pseudoscientific views or conspiracy ideation, as RFK Jr. does.
Work farms? No no no— these are wellness farms! Completely different! The labor will be very therapeutic! Plus, if we determine you’re taking medication for any co-occurring disorders, like ADHD or depression we’ll get you clean of that crippling addiction pronto.
:/
In fact you’ll find that the work sets you free.
comb through the social media and medical records of teens looking for any indications of anything they don’t like, and flagging them as potentially autistic?
anything woke must be autism
woke mind virus etc
Home-growns are next. The home-growns. You gotta build about five more places
it literally doesn’t matter if this is the correct interpretation… the fact that it’s possible is the problem. it should be completely impossible
Second, Asperger was a Nazi, and the child euthanasia program was one of the main projects which experimented with the tools and machinery of mass murder that would later be used in extermination camps.
Let’s not demonize him, the whole point he separated the “Asperger syndrome” from the more notable parts of the spectrum is to prevent some of those children from being killed.
“Let’s not demonize the Nazi, didn’t you know he undertook the arduous and benevolent task of creating a special category just for those of you that were exploitable for your labour? Sure he had a bunch of you exterminated but he sterilized and saved some for work and that should count for something.”
Utterly repugnant worldview. If at any point you find yourself coming up with reasons to defend a Nazi, and you don’t take a moment to look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what the fuck you’re doing, you’re failing as a human.
Someone who actively participated in the mass murder of children might have redeeming qualities (and I’d argue the one you think you’re highlighting isn’t one at all), but none of them will ever outweigh the fact that they are monstrously inhuman.
Do you have any idea how profoundly his work has negatively impacted every autistic person since? We’re still trying to excise all the fucked up useless gendered concepts his perspective injected into the diagnostics. The notions that we lack empathy, have some kind of extreme “male intellect” and/or psychopathy, that the way we’re born is some kind of defect in humanity that must be studied and purged, that’s his legacy.
He was one of the first to try to identify and categorize us, not out of altruism, but because he saw us as a diseased branch of humanity that was situationally useful but ultimately unworthy of life. If that’s not worthy of demonization then I don’t know what is.
You might want to read something by his contemporaries on autism, those who were not Nazis so that association can’t be immediately used against them. Also read how people diagnosed autistic were treated in, for example, USA.
didn’t you know he undertook the arduous and benevolent task of creating a special category just for those of you that were exploitable for your labour?
Compared to sending all of a bunch to a gas chamber sending only part is morally preferable. Obviously. Mentally impaired people were by default intended for extermination in Nazi Germany. The “Asperger’s syndrome” diagnosis allowed some of autistic people to be considered curious, borderline genius, pathway to making a new supersoldier/superscientist or anything like that not involving euthanasia.
If at any point you find yourself coming up with reasons to defend a Nazi,
I don’t care for emotional arguments containing no logical structure. Trying to feed that to your counterparts instead of something meaningful is the most morally repugnant position on any subject. The more morally loaded the subject is, the more repugnant it is to try this.
Do you have any idea how profoundly his work has negatively impacted every autistic person since?
His work should be considered in the context of others’ work of the same time.
The notions that we lack empathy,
There are three things called empathy, of which autistic people have problems with one, and psychopaths with another. This is correct.
have some kind of extreme “male intellect”
Maybe you’d like it back in your cell, your highness? Oops, it’s not exactly a cell, it’s a gas chamber.
and/or psychopathy
It’s not a weird concept, it’s the obsolete use of the term. In the 40s psychopathy meant basically every disorder with intelligence not necessarily lower than average.
He was one of the first to try to identify and categorize us, not out of altruism, but because he saw us as a diseased branch of humanity that was situationally useful but ultimately unworthy of life. If that’s not worthy of demonization then I don’t know what is.
As I said, sending all of the bunch to the gas chamber instead of some.
If you think that eugenicist views being more common at the time is any kind of defense you’re sorely mistaken, and if you think there’s much of a difference between someone who kills kids and one who tries to decide which kids are worth killing first, you’re wrong.
That first reply was for everyone else and reality check for you, but seeing as you seem intent on ignoring it I’m not going to bother wasting any more of my time interacting with you. I truly hope you come to realize how fucking disgusting your perspective is, I’ve tried to explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you.
If you think that eugenicist views being more common at the time is any kind of defense you’re sorely mistaken,
He worked in Nazi Germany. Say, baron von Stauffenberg, famous for his attempt to kill Hitler, wasn’t a Nazi because he was a Christian fundamentalist and a more traditional chauvinist, the thin difference that today would be ignored, but in that context he’s considered a hero.
and if you think there’s much of a difference between someone who kills kids and one who tries to decide which kids are worth killing first, you’re wrong.
Thank you for your opinion, but that’s something people in responsible professions have to decide regularly and by design.
Like - “the mother or the child”, or “we have an emergency situation with far less donor blood of a certain blood type than we need, how do we share it”, and so on.
That first reply was for everyone else and reality check for you,
The reality check is that you consider yourself intelligent enough to do reality checks for others. Yes, don’t let the door hit you and all that
And Hitler killed Hitler, I see no one lining up to give him a medal because we understand what fucking context is.
also interesting that you are comparing Triage to Eugenics,
How do you discern autism from a smart watch, labs, pharmacy etc?
To me, this suggests that if you’re diagnosed with autism, they’ll scrutinize your lab, pharmacy & smart watch records.
It’ll be suddenly revealed it’s a general health tracking database, and you’ll be denied healthcare coverage if you’re “not doing your part”, will be used to monitor women’s menstrual cycle to figure out who’s having “illegal abortions”, you’ll be fired for not waking up at 4:30AM to stroke the ego of the CEO, etc., all thanks to Palantir…
The trick here is they don’t actually care if it’s autistics or not. They just want want to create another “other” for society to Target. So you’ll get them blasting this on news all over the United States of America " see this perfectly normal looking heartbeat, this is the autism heartbeat. We needed to put whoever this terrible person is in whatever terrible position we’re going to put them in".
It’s just like sending people to El Salvador with mom tattoos. They don’t care if they’re in a gang or not.
It’s going to be vaccines. That’s what RFK is looking for.
Im double on the list for being autistic and trans! I’m gonna go to CAMP!
Why is it so hard for some people to believe that there is genetic variation in the human brain?
Because the genetic variation is confused and muddled by foundational things they can’t understand.
Simple things like family structure and the importance of it. A lot of autism overdiagnoses are purely from the developmental differences; economic class, quality of life, nutrition, exposure, and obviously parents or lack there of.
For example, simple acts like kids getting to play in the dirt exposes them to beneficial bacteria. Which I could also see laying the groundwork for gut bacteria. With how common kids do try and eat it, along with developing nations cooking with it, seems at least conceptually plausible.
I believe in autism and am not denying its existence as my fiancée has autism.
I am more saying that there is a huge upbringing differential that can cause kids to experience trauma. Trauma that can give the same responses. Social media enables this issue by pushing kids who don’t have access to self identify, pushing a false representation. However, it is good for kids to be trying to put the pieces together - they just need help.
Trauma that can give the same responses.
That’s me! Early in therapy for CPTSD, we spent some time trying to determine if I’m autistic or just have autistic tendencies due to CPTSD. Turns out it was the latter.
Some believe that their way of thinking, their neurological tendencies are the “right way” to do things in life. Others who arent like that are wrong in their eyes. Same with skin color and religion.
It’s Eugenics, this is them warming you up to forced sterilisation. This is Timesplitters shit, let’s just kill the Billionaires. Come on.
Well technically they’re warming people up for full blown death-camps.
It starts with tracking, then sterilization, then “work camps”, and then suddenly there are hundreds of thousands stuffed into cargo trains on the way to the furnaces. With tons of them telling themselves they should have done something when they first came for…
That’s already here, that’s el Salavadore. Specifically I think that’s where the human experimentation with neuralink and putting smart tech into your body is really going to get grotesque.
The first true AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak. Soon we won’t need Cecot.
Trump has signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 million contract has already been awarded. It is due to be complete in 2030, but it will open in stages.
For context, the average maximum security prison in America is about 800-1200 people. The largest, in Angola, LA, is about 8300. That means this new detention facility will be almost 4 times larger than our current largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
Its also going to be on a foreign island, surrounded by a (supposedly) hostile foreign nation, far from the prying eyes of the media or the courts.
We’ve seen Cecot, with its giant cells packed with 80 prisoners. We’ve also seen their method of frog-marching their prisoners.
Compare that with Russia’s infamous Black Dolphin Prison where prisoners live this way for the rest of their lives:
they are forced to stand and forbidden from resting or sitting on their bunks from the time they awake until bedtime (roughly 16 hours).
They are also moved about in a similar way as Cecot:
Black Dolphin prison officers have a unique form of escorting inmates: prisoners are kept bent over at the waist while a guard holds his handcuffed hands behind his back, higher than his hips. This escort control tactic allows for maximum control while depriving him of a view of his immediate surroundings (preventing him from escaping and/or attacking prison staff)
The MAGA Nazis are very familiar both of these notorious prisons, and it is likely they will be the model for the the new Guantanamo Bay facility.
So who do they intend on putting in there? He is making it crystal clear that whoever is destined for Camp Gitmo will NOT be receiving trials, or anything resembling Due Process.
Our first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak, Google it.
What does that have to do with my reply to the other user and why are you instructing me to google anything?
My post wasn’t just to you, it was an extension of the general conversation about eugenics and death camps. I wasn’t necessarily instructing YOU to Google it, I was inviting anyone who was doubting that American Concentration camps are already under construction.
You already have tracking.
Just a reminder that forced sterilization is still legal in the US, affirmed by the Supreme Court in Buck v. Bell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
I’m way ahead of them. I self sterilized. I don’t want any hand in bringing more people into this shit show.
Eugenics seems opposite from RFK Jr’s ideas.
I don’t think so. I think he’s really that delusional. Let’s hope his medical experiments won’t be worse than some hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Yes it is, that’s why the reduction in social security supports, that’s why the measles outbreak. This administration is puppets, acting out word for word, Curtis Yarvin’s butterfly revolution. That is why Trump is offering awards to women with more than 5 children, that is they focussed on reducing the cost of IVF. That is why musk never shuts the fuck up about the great replacement theory. It is blindingly obvious. This whole far right movement is funded by Big Tech, America First, Ireland First, Britain First, Francais Premier. They all appeared immediately after covid, they all have money come from The Heritage Foundation. This is the most obviousl thing, they’re not even hiding it. It’s because the economy is going to collapse within 2 generations because Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple and all of them collect obscene amounts of wealth across every denomination of currency in the world, they pay no tax and this drives inflation by forcing ever country’s central to print more money. We are about to enter indian level poverty in the West, along with the climate disaster, caused by the people who do not want to acknowledge it and have used the culture war, created by Big Tech in order to ignore. How do people not understand this?
Yarvin actually thinks they should be moving faster and more aggressively than they are, and he fears they might actually fail, and what it personally means for him if they do. Here’s the piece on it. He’s actually worried that his butterfly revolution may be unraveling under the weight of its own stupidity.
That’s what the articles in this giant skinner box, controlled by the same people trying to collapse society through social media say. Yes, you are correct. Alternatively, is that article exists to make people who would otherwise revolt feel pacified and like they’re winning, so they don’t bother to protest. Social media exists as a way to allow us to vent. To see opinions that agree with ours and feel validated and things are happening. In actuality this is to make sure people DO NOT feel angry enough to mobilise in a meaningful way. As an example with legacy media, Michael Moore is not your friend, Rachel Maddow is not your friend. They exist to make you feel like people are on your side, they are multi-millionaires employed by their corporate masters to pacify and neuter the will of the working class. Read deeper my friend.
Except that the writer of this piece is quoting the latest post on Yarvin’s own Substack, Gray Mirror. The piece is titled “Barbarians and Mandarins”
And while perhaps the first article I shared confirms my bias, I don’t have the time right now to read a bloated 7,000 word essay filled with allusions and metaphors to genocide.
So, how do you know it’s what it says?
This man is a psychopath
I want Yarvin to be dancing a jig at the end of a rope. People like him are responsible for the descent of America into madness.
I want Yarvin to be dancing a jig at the end of a rope.
That’s exactly what he’s afraid of. The post referenced in this, is from Yarvin’s own Substack, Gray Mirror, titled "Barbarians and Mandarins ", and Yarvin references a method for killing off bird populations called “foam depopulation”, whereby an area is filled with foam that suffocates birds in large numbers. It seems that Yarvin fears, that if Trump and Co. cannot successfully pull off his dream, that he will be killed by the very same methods that he wishes done to others.
It’s because the economy is going to collapse within 2 generations because Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple and all of them collect obscene amounts of wealth across every denomination of currency in the world, they pay no tax and this drives inflation by forcing ever country’s central to print more money.
Not commenting the rest of your statements, this is not how economies work.
We are about to enter indian level poverty in the West, along with the climate disaster
No, you are not. You are about to show everyone else what real poverty is, though, reminding them of pre-XIX century life.
I might agree there is a common interest of power in all this, but that’s obvious anyway, evolution, game theory and all.
Please, do enlighten me as to how the “Global Economy” works and the tax exploits used by FAANG and the rest of the billionaire class. Then based on your model factor in the devaluation of the American Dollar and the effect of all countries in the world divesting their monetary vestments in the US from treasury bonds and explain how the American and later global economy. Do not collapse. I am all ears.
Do not collapse.
No. That sentence you wrote doesn’t take any effort. While “enlightening someone on *” takes a lot, especially with such attitude.
How they surely don’t work is by “collecting of wealth”, because only real things are wealth. Production in the real world, assets in the real world, means to exchange those, mechanisms, agreements. The more removed it is from real things, the less it’s worth, when nominally it’s measured in the same amount of money. These are not interchangeable, they are parts of the same system.
Wealth is unrealised gains
He did run on finding the increased cause of autism in the youth. He said it was likely environmental toxins from corporations.
So if hes right and hes not looking to murder people then we get statistics on where its occuring, and he would track it down like we did lead and things like that.
Which there doesnt seem to be a counter-point to what hes doing, heres MSNBC who obviously hates Trump, and as she says theres not been clear answers yet. Which maybe with the data he is gathering there will be some insights:
Ah yes, this is clearly a person who is gathering information purely for science and the public good
I dont like the guy, but clearly it is an issue according to this MSN interview. So if he can figure it out I’d like that he did, so that the corporation causing it is held to account. Or what, do we just wait until a democrat is the one to do the same thing?
RFK is also talking about the obesity epidemic, specifically tying it to our food quality that many large donors really dont want to hear. I think some of these things seem sane, and I’m glad the republicans are starting to appreciate these ideologies.
Except, you know, autism can’t be cured and, you know, the uptick in cases is not because a raise in the numbers but a better diagnosis.
If they spent that money and time in improving autistic people life quality instead of “curing” them, the world would be a much better place.
Why are you so sure autism can’t be cured? Is “autism” even a narrow enough diagnosis to cure?
I didn’t vote for trump. I don’t support rounding up autistic people. RFK is a maniac. Can we have civil discussion?
Because we are not ill. We have a differently wired brain. You can’t just rewire my synaptic connections in a neurotypical way. The only way to “cure” autism is by removing autistic people from the world and… I’m not gonna agree with such solution.
I really hope you are asking this out of innocent ignorance, because the alternative would make you part of the problem and… there are words for you in that case, words that could probably get me banned.
I will speak for you, if you are willing.
If people try to kill us, we will kill them. We will defend ourselves from genocide.
I am ignorant about autism. I’m pretty sure humanity is ignorant about autism. There are people suffering degraded quality of life attributed to autism, is that not worth treating? Are people like Chrischan not ill or is that not related to autism?
Because whatever causes it, it’s a difference in synaptic connectivity that can’t be medicated or trained away. The only effective way to remove autism from society is removing autists from society and that’s exactly what rfk jr wants to do.
Ehm, because It’s not a disease…? How do you know being Chinese can’t be cured?
You don’t get diagnosed as Chinese.
Are you trying to be a unhelpful walrus or is this just happening organically, can you actually add something of function or substance to the conversation of just being a little detracting asshole?
I’m asking questions. I think just stating autism can’t be “cured” is a wild claim considering we barely understand what it is. Do I need to state my politics before asking questions or do you just immediately think I’m a trump loving maniac that is okay with rounding up all the autistic?
RFK must be very upset with Trump letting coal-fired power plants pump arsenic and mercury into the atmosphere unrestricted then
He’s a cunt with half a brain, he’s the new Mengele. His delusions have already killed people, I don’t believe in his supposed good intentions.
I believe it’s more likely that they (this administration, obviously) would change the meaning of the term “autistic” to mean any unwanted person. Basically, the Autist would become the new Jew under Trump’s regime.
Autism has a genetic origin. Even with today’s gene therapy techniques, it would not be possible to alter the already formed brains of adults so that they would not be autistic.
The simplest way to eliminate autism in the population would be to identify all autistic individuals and sterilize them or to genetically modify the zygotes or embryos of autistic individuals, but these, especially the first, have serious ethical implications and completely violate individual freedom. All this not to mention that we would be destroying part of the diversity of Humanity’s genotype, which could even have long term consequences that are difficult to predict.
I’d assumed it was something when you’re a fetus, not a fully formed brain. Would that be impossible as well do you figure?
Yes, well, there are good statistics and studies on autism and it’s mostly genetic. A bug of some of our far ancestors being related enough to have kids, but not enough to avoid weird bugs. Like - some of the neanderthals were not eaten. And parts of their genes were kinda compatible to those of bog standard homo sapiens sapiens, but not entirely. Which mostly doesn’t show in humans, and when it does, it’s autism. Or green eyes. Or something like that. Point being - really nothing to do with environment.
BTW, RFK Jr really with his manner of speech seems like a high-functioning autistic person, give or take. I wonder if he knows that you don’t have to hide in a room all day and smell and have problems talking at all to be that. I also wonder if he knows that his survival\camping interests too match that a lot.
Dude, these people are puppets of big tech. Donald Trump ran on lowering the price of eggs. Come on.
Well that’s not great. This is the kind of shit why I haven’t wanted to get diagnosed. Granted I’m already in it deep for being trans and that resulting million mile paper trail…
Behind the Bastards has a good couple episodes about what happens when people say they can cure autism (spoilers: many children die horribly)
Their RFK episodes are also highly relevant at the moment.
(spoilers: even more dead children)
The RFK Jr episodes also led me to believe that RFK Jr is probably not as neurotypical as he probably wants to think.
Which is not surprising considering the amount of hatred and seething rage that some unrecognized neurodivergent people (primarily low support needs) have for anyone exhibiting neurodivergent traits.
After years of social rejection (especially by family) and being denied support, many neurodivergent people learn to mask their traits at all costs. So when they see others openly express their traits or receive accommodations, it can feel deeply triggering, even infuriating. This resentment often fuels a cycle of shame and suppression that repeats across generations in ND families
Most of the late-diagnosed autistics/ADHDers in my circle have experienced abuse from undiagnosed autistic/ADHD parents. These parents, having been forced to mask their traits due to less obvious support needs, often harshly suppress the same traits in their children to avoid stigma.
Some people who’ve struggled want to ease the path for others; others believe everyone should struggle as they did. The latter are the ones who go on to try to abuse their kids (and sometimes a whole country) out of being neurodivergent.
The first people Nazi germany systematically exterminated were the disabled
So I guess it means now, that if you’re still undiagnosed in the US (and suspect to be autistic), better don’t let yourself diagnose… Sad times…
