The “fuck your feelings” crowd voted based on their feelings and ignored logic and thought their faith in blatant denial would pan out for them. Haha.
FYFAFO?
Fucking Yokels Fucked Around and Found Out?
Fuck Your Feelings And Find Out
If I had a dollar for every crying MAGA FAFO out there, I’d probably be able to retire.
Dipshit conservatives voted for Americans to have an additional tax after spending their entire lives whining about taxes because a felon rapist pedo promised them other people in other parts of the world would be paying it instead of them.
Add it on to the pile of evidence that American conservatives are some of the dumbest humans to ever walk the face of this earth.
Honestly it’s fucking insane that Republicans managed to convince voters that a regressive consumption tax is a better idea than just asking rich people to just send Uncle Sam an additional boat payment every year.
NuhUHHH he also promised to hurt The Right People™ and export them back to their home countries! Something that’s totally condoned by international law, and they’ll totally pay for that too!
Surprise, the US is part of a complex global economy and can’t survive or compete on its own.
This is, very much, actually a surprise to knuckledragging conservatives. Will they learn from this experience? Hell no.
Fucking hell, imagine being a “business owner” and not knowing where your supplies are comming from and what factors into the price. They’re not sending their best, that’s for sure
Josh Smith, of Montana, is a fucking moron who doesn’t understand economics.
Doesn’t it apply to the vast majority of Trump voters?
Yeah, but the bullshit spewing con artist they voted for said other countries pay the tariffs!
Like Mexico paid for the wall lol
“Why is equipment going up we should be charging finished products”, dumbfuck what do you think went into that equipment?
Give him raw ore and let him figure it out then
(ore was imported.)
Lotta people didn’t take high school economics apparently
I did last year, the teacher was a MAGA supporter and tought nothing about tariffs.
You dont need to be taught shit to figure out who would pay for it. You must be absolutely brain dead to not figure this out on your own. But yet here we are
the black Panthers didn’t make fun of people who couldn’t read, they taught them how to read. You should have a bit more of that mentality, most people don’t understand how tariffs work because they’ve never needed to.
Those people probably bever gotten to opportunity to lwarn to read. These people clearly can read and could have looked it up for themselves. Besides you don’t need to know what tariffs are, from the context there js only a single deduction you can make. The US population would pay for it.
I’m not in the mood to start an argument thread here, have a good one lad.
All fine and dandy with me. But I’ll never allow willful ignorance to be a credible defense. If they can post on twitter, they can open wikipedia. But alas, apparently people think it is.
What economics class did you get? All I got was a bunch of pro-capitalist propoganda without any serious examination of economic theory.
We learned what tariffs are in my middle school social studies class.
That lets us know the upper bound for a certain someone’s education level.
I think I remember hearing about tariffs in 3rd or 4th grade history and civics, like when they were talking about the causes of secession from Great Britain. This was in the 80s.
Why does it continue to be a surprise?
People talk about it being “difficult” to determine what’s real and what’s not on the internet… But more and more, it’s become clear, that these people just purposely close themself off to reality completely. The real world does not penetrate unless something affects them directly. And even then, they will do everything they can to avoid facing the reality unless it’s literally a brown person’s fault.
right? how fucking stupid are these people
he literally thought his equipment supplier made this shit in a vacuum and 100% in America. who could be dumb enough to think a complex machine like that doesn’t have material cross borders
he literally thought
No, he didn’t. That’s the problem
Most of the population in the US is about to recieve an object lesson in the global nature of modern manufacturing.
This goes well beyond where the raw materials for the final product are sourced from.
Machine components such as bearings. PPE and the polymer feedstock for ear plugs. Wire. The insulation for the wire. Semiconductors. Cutting tools. Etc.
There probably are domestic sources for a lot of these things, but that comes at a premium.
During COVID, I was biting my nails. I still wonder how close we came to global manufacturing collapse due to JIT failure.
If manufacturing collapses in the US, it will take decades to dig out of that hole. It could be something small like the lack of a plasticizer addtive. For the want of a nail and all that.
What’s really scary, is that whether or not the tariffs go through, suppliers have already drastically reduced imports. They did it months ago when this bullshit started. It’s just now starting to have an impact and will do so for months even if TACO bactracks today.
Commander Orangey McFucknutts may potentially crash manufacturing and the economy with it. It could be a Humpty Dumpty. I don’t think most people understand how bad that would be. Starvation, widespread foreclosures and reposessions. Great Depression level stuff, but most of us aren’t farmers anymore.
I wonder if this is why Epstein has suddenly, finally, become such a big deal. (Think about it, now it’s news even though the facts being reported have been public knowledge for a decade.) It’s the billionaire class warning him to knock this shit off.
Buckle up, it might get a little rough.
“It’s the billionaire class warning him to knock this shit off.” I’m pretty sure the oligarchs threw their weight behind the fascist in the end was in hope of getting a 2007 style crash where they could buy up what little they do not already own for pennies on the dollar.
The fascist destroying worker rights (hell, anyone but CIS Het white men’s rights) and setting up an army with no oversight was just gravy for them all.
Right, they want a deep recession/small depression. They can fuck us even harder.
However, I don’t think bringing down the entire house of cards would be beneficial to the billionaires that prefer living in the US. Sure, they can just move to their fifth vacation home in France or whatever. If their way of life is US-centric, they’re going to discourage a complete crash.
It seems that a lot of billionaires enjoy underage sex slaves, and those are easier to come by in a crashed economy where people are desperate. Also easier to get organ transplants, allowing these ghouls to live well past their allotted lifespans.
Depends on what you mean by a complete crash. Equites crash, property values cave, massive unemployment, these are good for the oligarchs.
Now if the paper markets freeze or securities jump to double digits, they are looking at the USD losing (some of at least) its status as the reserve currency. That would hurt their fortunes on paper, but they would outright own enough physical wealth it wouldn’t matter that much. And as you pointed out, they can just move somewhere else or live in fortified palaces and travel in armored cars or aircraft? This is getting a bit Gibson-eqsue now, a bit hyperbolic on my part perhaps.
I suppose that’s what the crypto is for.
Yeah, the crypto will (in theory) allow them to not even give a fuck about the US as far as the stability of the dollar is concerned.
By complete crash, I guess I mostly mean the economy is a smoking crater. Manufacturing grinds to a halt due to tariffs. Liquidity dries up. It takes decades to rebuild from that, it arguably took WWII to undo the Great Depression. An important difference is that most people were still farming when that happened. If we had a depression on that scale today, my gut says it would be much worse. Arguably, it would be apocalyptic as the US standard of living rapidly dropped to a third world standard.
So, yeah, billionaires would totally be fine. However, they wouldn’t be able to visit their hometown, go shopping, spouses and kids would bitch. Even a billionaire likes ice cream.
The Epstein thing is totally a hunch on my part, but it’s a strong hunch. Chump is fucking up things he doesn’t have the capacity to understand. It’s fine if he rapes kids or puts them in concentration camps, but a billionaire’s concubine starts bitching about a boutique store or whatever, it becomes a billionaire problem.
Which is pretty fucking sick. Hoping the parasites are inconvenienced enough to maybe prevent famine.
Pop quiz. In the last three elections: Which US presidential candidates received more donations from billionaires, and corporations? Who does Jeff Bezos endorse?
Bonus question: Which famously anti-union corporation is REALLY into promoting LGBTQ issues and is that connected to anti-union activity in any way?
BONUS bonus question: I can’t be bothered to frame this as a question, Amazon and the whole ass US Democratic party pushed gay stuff to get you off their backs about economy stuff that matters.
Really, really tired of this reality-defying both sides shit.
We can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. LGBT rights and the rights of other minority groups are not some distraction. You can’t ask someone to give a shit about economic inequality when they’re fighting for their rights against discrimination in housing, healthcare, and employment. Those things affect minority groups a lot more directly than broader wealth inequality. You can create a socialist paradise that is still a Hell on Earth for queer people.
If manufacturing collapses in the US, it will take decades to dig out of that hole. It could be something small like the lack of a plasticizer addtive. For the want of a nail and all that.
I’m actually more concerned with this middle-case. Consider fire-retardant additives for injection-molded plastics becoming unavailable or too expensive to get. That’s one of those things that requires someone to either ignore the law, or maybe politicians move the goalposts in order to save face; you wouldn’t notice in the end product right away. Meanwhile, standards on consumer goods drop by just that much, and things are a little less safe. Only that times how ever many other little corner-cases like this fall by the wayside, for products in every industry (e.g. food).
Yup.
Systems are fragile.
Ours is like a house of cards and we just let a felon rapist pedophile come in and knock it all over.
We’ll be seeing the effects, large and small, for a long, long time.
Whether or not he crashes the economy, I think it’s almost a forgone conclusion that what you’re describing happens.
They’re already loosening standards/funding at the FDA, CDC, and FAA. I wouldn’t be suprised if these wingnuts deregulated CFCs and asbestos. Whatever manufacturers ask for, they can probably get; especially if they can call it climate change hoax or nanny state BS.
It will result in so much death and suffering. Some of it will take decades to manifest like relaxing allowable carcinogens.
I’m sure it’d be sold as “toughening people up like in the good old days before woke pussies”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY
In short … America (and largely europe) no longer makes dies for things. We’ve even exported the knowledge of the die making process.
“Made in America” “Made in the UK” “Made in France” all mean largely the same thing. Imported materials, imported dies, imported components assembled in “<x>”
I feel like George Carlin’s piece on marketing buzzwords applies here.
To paraphrase: “Full of chocolatey goodness” means “no fucking chocolate.”
Only in this case: “Made in America” means “not fucking made here.”
Maybe he hopes the recession will hit when the next president takes office, so he will be able to say „look, they broke the country!“
He lacks the foresight for that. My crystal ball says we may see a recession by the end of the month if we’re not already in one now.
Most of the population in the US is about to recieve an object lesson in the global nature of modern manufacturing.
Sucks that the rest of us with neurons that interact with each other have to learn what we already know along with all the knuckle draggers that dropped out of high school.
The guy from SmarterEveryDay is making an American made bbq scrubber. And he tried to source everything from American companies only to find out the parts were only designed in the US but manufactured abroad. He basically had to make every part himself to be sure it’s completely made in America.
Nike won’t build a plant in the U.S. and pay U.S. citizens $25/hour to make shoes.
Even with shipping and a multi-100% import tariff it would still be cheaper to make all that shit in Vietnam.
Not that the retail cost of Nike shoes is linked to the cost of production anyway. You’ve always been paying the premium for the logo.
The only way it can be viable in the US is if you automate everything. But even then, it’s cheaper to operate an automated factory in Vietnam than it is to operate an automated factory in the US.
The only way it can be viable in the US is if you automate everything.
Using only American-made robotics? lol
And it’s still not entirely made in America lol
In a way that shows what is intended by protectionist measures, irrespective of whether they work in the current situation or how they are implemented by the Trump admin.
True. But either way with these tariffs prices are going up and margins go down even if a business makes and sources everything on home soil. Which in turn means the American standard of living will go down since people can buy less even in the best case scenario.
The logic of protectionism is that then more Americans find work manufacturing these things, which would in turn increase the standard of living.
There is no doubt that the US population fared best, when most of the economy revolved around manufacturing and Chinas rise of the middle class has been the result of manufacturing being offshored from countries like the US and in the EU, coinciding with a downfall of the middle class in the respective countries.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think that we would be able to get back to these “good old days” (in economic terms, not in other aspects) with the tariff regime of Trump. Also onshoring of manufacturing only can do so much if a factory that used to employ a thousand workers now brings the same output with a hundred workers because of higher automation.
As long as the distribution of wealth and return on capital is not changed fundamentally, we will not get back a broad middle class enjoying economic security.
There is no doubt that the US population fared best, when most of the economy revolved around manufacturing
Was that back when the top marginal tax rate was over 90% and the effective corporate tax rate was over 50%?
I wonder why the population fared best back then… Oh well, I guess we’ll never know. It must have been due to there being manufacturing jobs, right? Yeah lets just say that.
There is no doubt that the US population fared best, when most of the economy revolved around manufacturing
This was only true to the extent of the profit margins for manufacturing.
Higher margin industries leave more wealth/money to spend on life quality. If your standard of living costs more than manufacturing will support, you’ll need to downgrade.
Software, design, innovation, capitalism, high tech all have much higher margins than manufacturing. Silicon valley, and other tech hubs will be impoverished by switching to manufacturing.
What industries are less profitable than US manufacturing? Which of them can be dispensed with?
There is no standard of living in america, it greatly depends on where you live, what groups you are part of, and how much income you can generate. The difference now is that its not just the poorest that need to deal with this anymore.
The brush also sells for like $80 so uhhhh, another side effect of those measures.
Normally you’d start with a very small tariff and increase that on a regular schedule over a few years so businesses in the whole supply chain can anticipate and adjust in a reasonable stable environment.
It’s the opposite of declaring liberation day and chickening out repeatedly. Of course, doing the opposite of good policy also has the opposite result. Businesses are leaving USA. It’s easier to produce in another country in a stable environment and import the final product, and pay tariffs on it, only once.
That last bit is what people don’t understand.
If you’re an auto manufacturer, and you are given the choice to pay 50%+ tarrifs on your raw materials before selling your car that now has to be much, much more expensive due to the tarrifs. Or you could build the car in Europe, pay none of those tarrifs on parts, and export it to the US where the buyers will pay a 15% tarrif after the recent deal with the EU.
So it’s more profitable for the manufacturers and cheaper for the consumers to shut down US auto plants and move everything to Europe.
Art of the Deal.
I wish I could laugh react on this.
This is the point! They are crashing the economy on purpose to force an asset bubble onto China and the EU(Germany).
People keep saying we don’t make things here so we can’t support our own needs of consumption, but that’s part of it. Technofeudalism is a goofy concept but it seems like the ruling class is all in on it. Whether its “possible” is dependent on how many people you are okay letting starve, and specifically who those people are. Crashing the economy, recessions is generally a good thing for the ruling class so they don’t really care. And Trump gets to be king or some shit, as long as he does what is needed to maintain the rate of profit, which gutting social services and forcing people into unemployment, driving down wages, will certainly do.
Small business owners are some of the most ideologically backwards segment of our population despite being a major source of employment for the working class. They are constantly pressured by the conditions created by the “big fish,” and like so many people in the middle class, are constantly in fear of losing their class position, their privilege, their standard of living.
Yoda actually gives a really good spiritual analysis of this: anger leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. If you replace his abstract concepts with concretions, and think of it in a class conscious way, the anger comes from the pressures people feel, the fear is the fear of their own and their families well being, the hate is the baggage of nationalism and class war such as racism, queerphobia, whatever scapegoat seems convincing enough to believe, and the suffering is what follows: lynching, war, unrest, starvation, apathy and alienation. The racism and queer phobia piece works really well, because it is the conclusion that we draw from basically everything that we incorrectly learned about how our system functions. If you hold strong to that logic, which small business owners follow in order to achieve profits and establish their quality of life, then racism, queer phobia, ableism, misogyny, etc are natural conclusions.
Wrt Yoda I’ve actually read lots of actual history and theory, I’m not trying to be ridiculous. But it keeps coming around in my mind, and its something that a lot of people are familiar with. I could recommend better books and shit, but this is just a post on Lemmy, lmk if you want recommendations though
I wish it was 4D chess but there is no coherent plan beyond personal enrichment.
Why can’t it be both? You think these people don’t get together and make plans? All these freaks are in signal chats together planning, scheming, etc., just like the rest of us but yeah they’re doing it for personal enrichment. Trump isn’t smart but he commands many very smart people who do the heavy intellectual lifting. When did it become so gauche to believe in actual conspiracies? These people conspire, they make plans, they try to carry them out. If they didn’t then they wouldnt be where they are
A lot of what I’m talking about comes from my crude understanding of the stupidly named “Mara-Lago Accords”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_Accord
Its really hard to say whether they will be totally successful, but they have a lot of backing by the richest and most powerful people in the world. So we should be concerned imo
small business owners are potentially our country’s most mentally ill population
Its not their fault really, but some are worse than others. It sucks many don’t realize that the constant pressure they feel is a condition of capitalism which crushes small businesses and sweeps up all their dreams for a bargain any time there is a recession. Keeping the small business class neurotic and reactionary is a generational project; middle class neurosis is an objective condition, not an individual shortcoming
I had to break the poor news to my boomers too. They wanted Japanese made computers, not Chinese, and I was forced to wake them up.
This video was so eye-opening and I really applaud Dustin for presenting it so thoughtfully and in a way I hope everyone can appreciate, regardless of their political stance.
Thanks for sharing this. What’s funny is he didn’t even mention another reason why buying one higher quality item is better than dozens of cheap one: ressource usage and pollution.
The product they designed is supposed to be disposable, since it’s essentially a scrubber🧽.
The chain⛓️ only lasts so many scraps, and then the screw🔩 breaks down. I don’t even keep my toilet🚽🧽 after a month~. It’s too unsanitary at that point.What in the AI garbage fuck is this?
Emojis are our gift to you westerners. What are you confused about?
Please don’t tell me you reuse your toilet bowl scrubber forever.
Pfft. The ancient Egyptians first created emojis.
Then use’m!🤣
You use the word “AI” like right wingers use “woke”. It’s not a good look.
So, wait, the chainmail isn’t made in America? What’s the fucking point?!?
The 🇮🇳 “sources,” correct. These are batch deals. For so many 🇺🇲 chain that the 🇺🇲 manufacturer can’t produce, the rest they are forced to buy from 🇨🇳.
Seems like a giant infomercial to me
It is, but also answers a lot of the complex questions allistics do not ponder.
