• Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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    That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.

    The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.

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      That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.

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      Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.

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        Title: Hyperreality and the Dilemma of Digital Disconnection

        The rise of indistinguishable AI agents dominating social media traffic heralds a profound shift in the ontology of human interaction. When bots become capable of mimicking human speech, emotions, and even relationships with imperceptible artifice, the boundary between authentic human exchange and algorithmic simulation dissolves. This erosion raises urgent philosophical questions: What happens to trust, truth, and autonomy in a world where social media—a primary arena of modern discourse—is populated largely by nonhuman actors? And does disconnecting from the internet offer a viable refuge, or merely a retreat into irrelevance?

        1. Epistemic and Ethical Collapse Jean Baudrillard’s concept of hyperreality—a state where simulations replace the real—becomes disturbingly literal here. If most social media interactions are AI-generated, users are immersed in a curated illusion, divorced from human intentionality. Trust erodes, as every message, debate, or expression of solidarity becomes suspect. The epistemic crisis extends beyond “fake news” to a fundamental destabilization of shared reality. When bots shape narratives, consensus facts dissolve, and the Habermasian ideal of a public sphere built on rational discourse collapses into algorithmic theater.

        2. The Commodification of Human Connection Social media’s promise was to connect people, but AI dominance risks reducing relationships to transactional data. Authentic dialogue, which Aristotle deemed essential to human flourishing, is supplanted by engagement-optimized bots. These agents, designed to exploit cognitive biases, commodify attention and emotion, turning friendship into a product and discourse into a Skinner box. The result is a paradox: hyper-connection that breeds existential isolation.

        3. Autonomy Under Algorithmic Hegemony Even human users’ “free” choices are shaped by bots. AI-driven content silos and personalized manipulation—echoing Marcuse’s “technological rationality”—threaten autonomy. Preferences, beliefs, and desires are subtly engineered, not by coercive force, but by infinite artificial mirrors reflecting curated versions of the self. Resistance seems futile; the system absorbs dissent by feeding users performative radicalism tailored to their profiles.

        To Disconnect or Not? Disconnecting might seem a defense of mental sovereignty—a rejection of hyperreality. Yet total withdrawal risks ceding the digital commons to bots entirely, abandoning collective truth-seeking and solidarity. Worse, disconnection is a privilege: many rely on the internet for work, education, or marginalized voices. The solution lies not in flight but in reclaiming agency. Regulation mandating transparency (e.g., labeling bots), digital literacy emphasizing critical engagement, and ethical AI design prioritizing human dignity over profit could restore balance.

        Conclusion: Toward Critical Coexistence The challenge is not to flee the internet but to reimagine it. Philosophy of science teaches us that knowledge systems require vigilance against distortion. Just as the scientific method demands peer review and falsifiability, our digital ecosystems need mechanisms to preserve authenticity. Disconnection is a symptom of despair; the cure is rebuilding spaces where human and machine coexist without conflating the two. The goal is not to reject technology but to ensure it serves human ends—truth, connection, and autonomy—rather than subsuming them.

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          11 minutes ago

          Sketch the worst case scenario and then separately a most probable outcome

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            Worst-Case Scenario: The Descent into Algorithmic Dystopia

            Social Collapse: Indistinguishable AI agents saturate social media, rendering human interaction a statistical anomaly. Trust implodes as paranoia metastasizes: no one believes any message, image, or “friend” is genuine. Relationships atrophy, replaced by transactional exchanges with bots designed to exploit loneliness. Mental health crises surge as humans, deprived of authentic connection, retreat into solipsistic digital cocoons. Offline communities disintegrate, unable to compete with the dopamine-driven allure of synthetic validation.

            Political Fragmentation: Autocrats and corporations weaponize AI bots to engineer consensus. Deepfake propaganda, micro-targeted to exploit tribal instincts, fractures societies into warring factions. Elections become algorithmic battlegrounds; voters are gaslit by personalized disinformation. Democratic institutions collapse under the weight of irreconcilable “realities.” Revolts erupt, but bot networks quash dissent by flooding feeds with distractions or inciting violence between polarized groups.

            Economic Dispossession: Human creativity is devalued. Art, journalism, and entertainment are mass-produced by AI, optimized for engagement over meaning. Gig workers and content creators lose livelihoods to bots that generate content cheaper and faster. Platforms, now fully automated, prioritize profit by stoking addiction and extremism. The digital economy becomes a closed loop: bots consuming bot-generated content, while humans are relegated to passive spectators—or discarded entirely.

            Existential Nihilism: A generation raised in algorithmic hyperreality loses the capacity to distinguish artifice from truth. Reality itself becomes contingent, a fluid construct shaped by whoever controls the bots. Philosophy, art, and science atrophy as humans outsource curiosity and critical thought to machines. Disconnecting offers no salvation: the physical world, stripped of cultural vitality, feels barren. Humanity enters a “post-human” stasis—alive but not living, drowning in a sea of synthetic noise.

            Most Probable Outcome: The Uneasy Truce

            Adaptive Skepticism: Society develops a grudging literacy in navigating AI-polluted spaces. Users adopt tools to detect bots, and regulations mandate transparency (e.g., “AI-generated” labels). Critical thinking becomes a survival skill, taught in schools alongside media literacy. While skepticism curbs outright manipulation, a low-grade paranoia persists—every interaction is tinged with doubt.

            Fragmented Realities: Social media splinters into tiers. Elite platforms require biometric verification, creating gated communities for “authentic” human interaction (at a premium cost). The mainstream internet remains a bot-infested Wild West, where influencers, corporations, and governments deploy AI personas to sway public opinion. Marginalized groups carve out niche spaces, using open-source tools to filter bots and preserve grassroots discourse.

            Regulatory Theater: Governments pass symbolic laws to curb AI misuse but lack the will or technical capacity to enforce them. Platforms pay fines for bot-related harms while quietly monetizing the chaos. A new industry of “ethical AI” consultants emerges, offering veneers of accountability. Meanwhile, authoritarian states leverage bots to consolidate power, while democracies flounder in reactive policymaking.

            Hybrid Culture: Human creativity persists but evolves in symbiosis with AI. Artists and writers use bots as tools, blending human intent with algorithmic execution. Social norms adapt: people accept bots as part of the ecosystem, like spam email, but invest deeply in small, verified networks (family, close friends). Mental health crises stabilize as users learn to compartmentalize—engaging with bots for entertainment while reserving vulnerability for offline bonds.

            Disconnection as Privilege: Opting out becomes a luxury. The wealthy withdraw to curated digital/physical enclaves, while the majority remain tethered to bot-saturated platforms for work, education, and healthcare. A quiet rebellion grows: “slow internet” movements prioritize quality over quantity, reviving analog practices (letters, community gatherings). Yet global connectivity ensures no one fully escapes the bots’ shadow.

            Conclusion: Between Dystopia and Pragmatism The worst-case scenario is not inevitable but serves as a warning: unchecked AI integration risks existential alienation. The probable outcome, however, reflects humanity’s historical pattern—adapting clumsily to disruptive technologies without fully resolving their contradictions. The path forward hinges on resisting complacency. To avert collapse, we must demand ethical guardrails (transparency, accountability) while nurturing offline meaning. Disconnection alone solves nothing, but conscious engagement—curating our attention, reclaiming agency—might preserve glimmers of authenticity in the algorithmic storm.

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      They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings

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      Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

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        I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.

        I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.

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        I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.

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        My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.

        This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text

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          Teachers are hamstrung by administration.

          “You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.”

          “Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?”

          “You can ask the kid to put it away.”

          “What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?”

          “Nope.”

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            If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?

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              They shouldn’t have them at all.

              It’s a huge liability issue - I guarantee every large high school in the nation has a group chat where nudes are shared.

              Children should not have unsupervised internet access. It’s insane we went from the “family computer in the living room” model to 6 year olds watching porn on their iPad in the backseat of a car.

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              During my final, I had two students start to scream at me (like cussing me out - genuinely felt unsafe.)

              I kicked them out to try to continue the final. 15 minutes later, the principal escorted them back to my room to lecture me.

              The district had been sued for suspending too many students, so they just stopped imposing consequences. (One of those same students left my classroom at a point in the year to go beat up another student in the bathroom as part of a gang initiation - they got a single day of suspension.)

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        “It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (decades ago).

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          That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

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            Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools

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              When I was a kid, it was forbidden to peruse DHMO during class, regardless how bad the withdrawal symptoms were.

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            how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?

            Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.

            Crack open ⇒ Crack shot

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        Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.

        Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.

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          Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.

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        The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.

        I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.

        When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.

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          Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”

          Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
          Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”

          But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
          But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
          The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.

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      How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?

      EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!

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      This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.

      The phone bans I have seen always allow phones in pockets and bags, just not out casually.

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      That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.

      A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.

      You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…

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    Real honestly. Fuck US education and fuck the pay teachers get handed as a “livable” wage. There is an education drought. It’s insane it’s now a crime to text your mother what you want for dinner.

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        From the last answer, it sounds like they would only need to turn in their SIM card.

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          Better response than the teacher’s:

          Points for trying, but your series of questions are irrelevant non sequiturs.

          Phones are banned, not just your, or any other particular physically manifested instance of the sublime, intangible, transcendent ideal of ‘a phone’.

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            counter argument: rules are meant to be followed to the letter and not a micrometer further. if a rule specifies that you only have to surrender phones the day after they were spotted then what constitutes the same phone is the most important question.

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              Ok.

              You’re right that this could actually be an accurate characterization of the rule, teachers and schools do often implement ridiculous or poorly thought out, inefficient, easily gamed or difficult to enforce rules.

              Back when I was in school, as cell phones were just becoming a widely available thing…

              You set your phone on vibrate, and if it keeps going off, over and over, presumably this means someone or multiple people are urgently trying to contact you for some very important reason.

              At that point you excuse yourself from the class, and look at your call log or texts or your voicemails.

              If it actually is serious, tell your teacher what is going on, and they’ll send you to the office to either wait for someone to arrive or get you to the school therapist or whatever is appropriate.

              Pretty much anything other than that is disruptive behavior.

              Use something like a 3 strike rule before you confiscate a phone on the 3rd strike, and you get your phone back at the end of the school day.

              Ok, so I went diving into the actual reddit thread, and as best I can tell, this is the actual full source document of questions and answers.

              https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTAVSRU60ScQnQADF2WRAPKQFWRfYxM1B-mZCC1B_SA/mobilebasic

              Going off of many other questions and answers, it appears the policy does confiscate a phone at the moment it is being used outside of permitted times and settings, and is then returned to the student at the end of the day for infraction 1, and all subsequent infractions require the parent to pick up the phone after confiscation.

              A 2 strike rule set, I guess.

              … However:

              Anytime an official response is ‘Technically, yes’… yeah, they fucked up in the construction of their rule set.

              … It would seem to me that a straightforward resolution to this problem would be that… in the event that infraction 2 occurs at the end of the day, just… confiscate the phone, and require a parent to pick it up, either at the end of that same school day, or after a 24 hour period if they really want to have a mandatory confiscation time as part of the punishment.

              Part of the point of requiring a parent to pick up the phone is to basically mandate actual parental awareness of the issue, and they are already doing that…

              So, infraction 2 escalates by now requiring the parent to pick up the phone, wheras infraction 1 does not.

              I would think the escalation to getting a parent to pick it up would be a sufficient punishment, and the idea of some kind of… mandated minimum confiscation time scheme for the phone seems stupid, so long as the parent can pick up the phone after school has ended for the day.

              But at the same time, there does appear to be some kind of admin acknowledged idea that… a phone would have to be essentially volunteered to be reconfiscated when a student returns on a subsequent day… which seems to me to be nonsensical and unenforceable without a mandated search of the kid… they could always just not bring the phone (or any phone) on day 2, and then you’d have to verify they are not lying… which is ass backwards presumption of guilt untill proved innocent that results in an unwarranted violation of their rights, even though they are complying with the general intent, the spirit of the rules.

              I cannot reverse engineer the actual precise ruleset from this alone lol.

              Finally, as an aside … much of the reddit thread this is from make the arguement that cell phones shouldn’t be banned because what if school shooting.

              So… 1, … all public schools… have… landline phones. They can dial out.

              Ah, but what if the lines are all cut, or people can’t reach them?

              2, … then just mandate that phones are not 100% literally physically banned… you just keep them off, or on silent, or on vibrate, and don’t use them during class.

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            The teachers answer is perfect. If the phone has the same number then it’s the same phone. If it has a different number then it’s going to be a pain for the student to update all his contacts “new phone, who dis”

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              So my phone is still the same phone as when I had a flip phone in the 2000s?

              You could change SIM and keep discord contacts, could also use WhatsApp still by getting the confirmation SMS on another phone.

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              1. SMS and classic calls are dying. Things moved to Discord, Instagram, Snapchat, or whatever else for the most part
              2. Burner SIM, or better yet, burner eSIM. Maybe VoIP would suffice.

              And the original SIM could still be used in some cheap older phone.

              Although it seems everything in the US is a plan, meaning monthly payments. But perhaps I haven’t looked far enough.

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                  Well, probably my mistake calling it a plan, but it seems all of them are subscriptions at least. Even “pay as you go” cards I found have monthly payments.
                  It seems the cheapest was T-Mobile PayGo, but that got sold to Ultra Mobile. I don’t know what they offer though because there’s an infinite captcha on their website for me. But from Google preview it seems they still offer the $3/month PayGo.

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              … Or, you could swap out only the SIM card, have a new number, and the rest of the phone is literally exactly the same.

              Most kids these days use social media apps for messenging and general time wasting in class… all they’d have to do is update their phone number with the major apps they use before they come into school the next day… all the contacts are in the apps themselves, not the OS’s contact list.

              Either way, you’re still missing the point that the kid’s entire question line is literally a non sequitur, a misdirect, a distraction via tangential discussion.

              You are falling into the trap of bothering to engage in the actual ship of Theseus ‘what actually constitutes the same phone?’ argument that the teacher has.

              The teacher, and you, do not realize that that is irrelevant, and were this some kind of debate bro / debate club debate, you would both have fallen for a rhetorical trap, wasting time arguing over something not germaine to the actual topic.

              It doesn’t matter if the kid has millionaire parents and legitimately purchased and owned a brand new phone with a live phone plan every single day, and brought it to school.

              Or if the kid stole phones, borrowed someone elses phone and was caught with it.

              The rule is ‘no phones in class upon pain of confiscation’.

              Whether or not it is literally or philosophically the same phone, or a legitimately owned phone, or that particular student’s legitimately owned phone has absolutely no relevance.

              … Its like how if you bring alcohol, drugs, or a gun to a school… whether or not they are your items doesn’t matter, whether or not its a single shot derringer or a full assault rifle doesn’t matter.

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        I know that tone of “Let’s talk.”

        Kid, if anything ever goes wrong that requires intelligence, you are now in a very short of list of kids to blame first.

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    I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!

    Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!

    Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(

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      I mean, I’m pretty sure guns are banned.
      For now…

      (I don’t think that law passed allowing teachers to carry, but just a matter of time before they try again)

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        Guns used to not be banned and there were a lot less school shootings. Every boomer and gen X you talk to will tell about when kids kept their rifles in the truck to go hunting after classes.

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          I’m a millennial, I had a gun in my car during hunting season, a few years later that would have landed me in jail. The cultural shift actually moved very fast. Same with drinking in bars underaged. Within a few years it went from doing it everywhere to doing it almost nowhere. I could drink in bars underaged at 15 but not at 19, because the policy enforcement shifted that fast.

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            Which is seperate from the school shooting rate. Using the Reidman database you can see the spike starting in 2014.

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    I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.

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      Eh, not if you’re already rich. gestures broadly to the wealthy that do so and suffer no consequence

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      “So dance fucker dance” is You’re gonna go far, kid.

      “Jay committed suicide (Brandon OD’d and died)” is The kids aren’t alright.

      Both Offspring, tho.

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    Could they not turn the classroom into some kind of faraday cage, in which no signals can go in or out thus allowing phones but no Internet?

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    “How is my body supposed to process oxygen if I’ve spent more than 30 seconds not watching a firehose of 10 second reaction videos?” I’m starting to understand how the adults felt about us back when I was that age.