Summary
Secretary of State Marco Rubio grew visibly frustrated during an ABC News interview when questioned about the Trump administration’s approach to Russia.
Defending Trump’s push for peace talks with Putin, Rubio insisted negotiations were necessary but admitted the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.
He clashed with host George Stephanopoulos over Trump’s refusal to call Putin a dictator and the U.S. siding with Russia in a recent UN vote.
Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.
We’re not placating Putin, we’re actively realigning ourselves with him. He is our ally in the Moscow-Maralago Axis of Evil.
having the intelligence to realize, but not have the balls to speak out to the fact that the Russian Mafia just regulatory captured your country is something to melt down over.
The U.S. isn’t placating Putin. The Republican party is. Because they’re traitors.
Yeah Biden placated netanyahu. It was bad, but for the lowest of bars, he at least was placating an ally instead of giving a hostile power everything they want and yelling at the ally they invaded
And placating Netanyahu and is better than finishing off that genocide with a nice ethnic cleansing
Yeah, but holy fuck I’m exhausted at the bar being that fucking low
As a European, only the complete collapse of the Russian federation in an acceptable outcome.
What would be the best way for that to happen? More specifically, how can we pull this off safely?
We have very little historical precedent to go on. The USSR collapsed in 1991. There was some nervousness around what was going to happen with all their nukes. Ultimately, we ended up with Russia, led by Putin.
How would we stop Putin from triggering nuclear retaliation?
If we stop that, how do we make sure some other oligarch doesn’t immediately take his place?
If Russia were to completely collapse, what would happen to Russia? Would we be willing to let China take over? If not would we be willing to maintain an indefinite occupation of Russia?There may be good answers to all of these questions. It seems the more practical solution is to contain Russia. Do you think the EU would be ready to adopt a constitution if it came up again?
Russian federal subjects would semi-autonomously be their own countries. Falling under supervision of the UN and neighbouring countries
But that is on the US and China agreeing to it when currently both are against that
It does give China potentially direct control over some resources they would want but they already can get those without weakening their position
I can see why this would be a good outcome for Europe.
It essentially turns Russia into a puppet state. If we were to eliminate China and the US, that would make Russia Europe’s puppet state. While it has some obvious advantages to Europe, it’s clearly not in the interest of either Putin or Russia (the most pessimistic estimates put his approval rating at over 60% among Russians).
Since it’s obviously not to their advantage they won’t agree to it. That means someone would have to force them to accept that new status quo. The US just dropped all support and China has made it pretty clear that they’re not going to participate in any operation like that either.
So that leaves the EU. I’ll circle back to my earlier question. Do you think the EU is ready to adopt and ratify a constitution if it came up again? Absent that, do you think the EU can put together a military coalition that’s big enough and permanent enough to induce an immediate surrender by Russia? If not, do you think that the EU is willing and able to wage a protracted direct war against Russia?
It can’t be supervised by it’s neighbours if the two biggest neighbours aren’t apart of it
If the US and China abandon Ukraine WW3 will happen so to pretend there’s a safe way out of it is unreasonable
The US will look to Canada
Russia will look to Germany
China will look to Taiwan
Suppose there’s a cockroach colony in a residential building. Separating it into few parts is not going to do much good. If you mean that by collapse - same elites retaining power - then it’s just not good enough.
And if you mean removing them, rich natural resources have proven to be good for those who have them and bad for those who don’t, so no.
Turning it into a real federation or even confederation - yes. Like Germany.
I mean the russian people doing to Putin and the oligarchs what the Libyans did to Gaddafi.
No, death is erasure of information. He’s head of state. He should be convicted in court and be put in jail.
Also showing that a head of state will be held accountable and then put behind bars is very useful, it’s a treasure that shouldn’t be destroyed by lynching.
Even in EU high-level politicans and bureaucrats already behave as if they can’t be convicted for real crimes (scandals of the “he has a second apartment with nice door” are not that, I mean criminal decisions on post and assisting kickoff schemes, things legal only because there’s nobody to judge officially otherwise, like surveillance legislations, and such). That’s very dangerous, they should always remember they are not immune, neither in theory nor in practice.
This is the same with all of Russia’s government. They shouldn’t be just banned from working in such positions again, shouldn’t be lynched or something, deprived of stolen properties. They should be thoroughly investigated and convicted accordingly.
Because otherwise it’ll be just another change of leadership of a pirate colony, like in Syria. The king is dead - long live the king. No. These people should be shown to not be kings, just citizens who got too far, which shouldn’t happen again.
This guy sucking putin’s asshole says what?
While the title is the usual nonsense, the interview is the usual nonsense delivery that the master of deals is going to save the day, when he couldn’t deal his way out of a wet paper bag.
Rubio also compared Trump’s handling of Ukraine to Biden’s approach to Israel, further escalating tensions.
Well… that’s not too far off
So Trump’s going to give Ukraine all the weapons that they want?
His handling of Ukraine is like his handling of Gaza, so he’ll be giving Russia all the weapons they want.
Make Vladivostok into a Ukrainian beach resort
Hahahahahahaha. Try again
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I’m beginning to feel there’s a fundamental disconnect between the vocabulary of everyday people and the words journalists use. I can only imagine how the dialogue goes around a journalist’s house.
“Honey, have you heard about the Winstons?”
“No, why?”
“Fred from accounting SLAMMED they’re planning to move to Wisconsin.”
“Oh, I see. Did you GRILL him about where exactly they’d be going?”
“Yeah, I HAMMERED him with questions until he MELTED down. IN TEARS, he SCREAMED at me, ‘Yeah, somewhere near Madison.’”
“…screamed?”
“You know… politely.”“We had fun at this amazing diner. The food was out of this world!! Literally the best night of my life.”
“So you had fun and ate good food?”
Feels like you gotta reach for top shelf words to keep up.
Placating? More like deep throating. The US is gluckglucking Russia and liking it.
The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk. So why wouldn’t everyone think it?
NATO is Russia/China’s greatest deterrent. It’s literally devastating to our national security to pull out–so clearly only a bad actor would want that… It’s pretty goddamn obvious.
Don forget ending all US cyber operations against Russia
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Trump backs Putin. Trump was told to pull out of NATO. Trump has talked about it. That helps Putin.
Some people have thoughts that lead to other thoughts. Then they apply those new thoughts to the original problem.
The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk.
That’s not true. Ron/Rand Paul, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and a number of other paleocons have been championing this for decades.
Trump’s just the first guy to make it all the way to the White House with the view. But it isn’t unique to Trump, nor is it particularly unpopular. Lots of Americans, particularly poorer and more rural ones, see these foreign alliances as an unnecessary extravagance.
They don’t like it any more than they liked NAFTA or the WTO or the UN.
NATO is Russia/China’s greatest deterrent.
What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?
Fyi, UK, NL, FR, ES etc all went with you on your “right of passage” sail throughs, against the chinese. Thats NATO.
Guess who can do that all on its own from now on.
Guess which countries also put sanctions on china? Your NATO partners.
Guess where the machines most chips are made with… Are being made? (NL says hi.)
If you stop scratching our back… Why should we still scratch yours? The chinese market is double yours. We can make more euros there then in your tariff hellscape.
Have fun having the biggest military for the time being. In a few years china has eclipsed yours.
Trump’s tantrums have made it very clear we should buy our military gear locally. So we will. Same will happen with cloud and tech. You can’t be trusted. One day everything is ok, next day everything is +25%
If this continues for a few more months it will mean the end of US hegemony. You will be left with nothing.
In the end we will make peace with Russia, simply because we must. The oil will flow west again in a few years leaving you with all the problems of fracking and zero gains.
Same will happen with china.
We will be allright, bud.
From an EU standpoint it doesn’t matter if the US, china or even Russia is our partner. It mattered because of history. But trump’s US chooses to flush it all down the drain. So we will check if the turd really went down.
Fyi, UK, NL, FR, ES etc all went with you on your “right of passage” sail throughs, against the chinese.
They’re all marque destinations for Chinese exports. Why on earth would China prevent them from sailing in to pick up merch? Sail Through isn’t a consequence of NATO, its a consequence of a multi-trillion dollar trade network.
Guess which countries also put sanctions on china? Your NATO partners.
The sanctions are a joke. Russian gas and Chinese tech have been flooding markets in gray markets across the South Pacific and the Middle East. Germans are buying gas through Turkyie at a middleman’s markup. Indonesia and Malyasia are restamping Chinese manufactured goods and passing them under the radar of sanctions officials. And NATO leadership knows it. They turn a blind eye, because the Business First ideology of capitalism means fattening the wallets of a few industry insiders is far more important than imposing any kind of uniform foreign policy.
Guess where the machines most chips are made with… Are being made? (NL says hi.)
You’ve missed so many steps in the supply chain, its difficult to know where to start. But if you want to believe the Netherlands is the heart of the global electronics manufacturing industry, that’s none of my business.
If this continues for a few more months it will mean the end of US hegemony.
The US has been sloughing off its hegemony since Bush invaded Iraq. But the game was already functionally over when the UK was forced out of Hong Kong. The Americans have been scrambling to keep control of the Philippines, as liberals panic at even Chinese-adjacent businesses in Singapore gaining global popular appeal. They’ve lost control of the Suez thanks to their proxy war defeats in Yemen of all places. And South Africa has been outside the western sphere of influence since Apartheid ended.
What’s scarier than any Trump Tariff is the possibility of the Americans losing control of the Panama Canal, in their own backyard.
In the end we will make peace with Russia, simply because we must.
We’ll see. Trump’s itchy trigger finger blew up the peace deal with Iran and cost the US any kind of stability across the Persian Gulf. We’re alienated from the Turks, we’re pissing of Ukraine, and we’ve lost control of a large swath of Central Africa, all because American ethno-nationalism remains the lodestone of our foreign policy. I don’t know if we can bring ourselves to make peace with anyone. All we can do is walk away from our crumbling edifice of empire.
That’s not true.
I was being facetious.
What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?
Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldn’t be doing. China literally just says sometimes “Hey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckin’ shame if we took it…” and then just pretends like that land has always been a part of China. They literally do it all the time. They’re attempting to expand their empire and without the presence of NATO, there would be no one to stop them… Especially from capturing strategic or necessary assets that are critical to the US, like Taiwan. If we lose Taiwan we’re pretty much omega-fucked and I don’t think people appreciate that fact enough.
NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world and if we pull out, it’s like taking all the ammo out of our really big guns. It’s such an astonishingly stupid move I cannot even believe that anyone with a pulse would or even could support it. It leaves me fuckin’ bewildered.
Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldn’t be doing.
Such as? What isn’t China doing that they would be doing without British or French intervention?
China literally just says sometimes “Hey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckin’ shame if we took it…”
You sure you’re not confusing China with the United States?
NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world
Deterant to what? They certainly didn’t keep Russia out of Georgia, Crimea, or the Donbas.
Such as?
I literally went on to explain. So either you’re being disingenuous here or you just don’t read. Either way, I’m out.
You sure you’re not confusing China with the United States?
Boom, there it is!
I Guess we’re just ignoring all the shit they’re pulling by dumping sand and dirt into the ocean and calling it a Chinese island, and all the shit they’re doing near Taiwan.
Can’t wait for someone to pull out a 400 year old map to justify modern day imperialism again!
I Guess we’re just ignoring all the shit they’re pulling
The host asks: “Are you saying that the Chinese or the Russians behave better than us, Westerners, currently, in your opinion?”
“Oh absolutely!” he replies, “You don’t quite understand African realities… it’s astonishing to see how we are very distant in terms of cultures. We cannot understand why you come to give us lessons, for example, on human rights.”
Reminds of the now famous saying from a Kenyan official: "Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture”…
Can’t wait for someone to pull out a 400 year old map to justify modern day imperialism again!
glances at a map of US military bases
The crazy thing about NATO is how much of it hinges on the political attitude of a single man in a big white house within walking distance of the Potomac. So many eggs placed in one basket. And then the Americans spill it… twice.
But you cling to NATO like its something so much more than the legacy of American post-war expansionism. Like it really is an enthusiastic alliance between Atlantic Nations and not the biggest kid on the playground shaking down everyone else for their lunch money.
@Xanza probably doesn’t know anything past what CNN and Facebook has told them about things.
This title is misleading. I watched the whole 9min and he was calm and collected in his delivery. Was he frustrated at the leading questions? Yes. Was he melting down? Ya no, not even close.
The Daily Beast with a bullshit, misleading, clickbait headline? Surprising.
I’m sure I downvote Daily Beast articles more than any other site. I wish people would find other sources - although the stories might not sound as exciting.
The summary is reasonable though. Again we are cutting trump and his underlings a ton of slack about his campaign claims of fixing the war in 24 hours, and 6 weeks into his presidency. No, we should not accept political hyperbole just because it comes from trump, and Stephanopoulos was rightly asking how does calling Zelenskyy a dictator (and undercutting Ukraine-supporting allies) but sucking up to putin move peace talks forward?
As I said before, the way trump makes these deals is like putting duct tape on your passenger door, calling yourself a master mechanic, and then blame next mechanic when the car falls apart.
seems like trumps 1 day special diplomatic operation failed weeks ago
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the administration didn’t know Russia’s demands.
Liar
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